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my sympathy to you. How very difficult it must be to try to take care of both a child and a helpless adult.All old people are not cranky; not at all. As a whole, we are sweeter and more amiable than the rest of the population. There are many possible reasons for yourdad's bad attitude and rudeness. Old age is not one of them. Drug use, pain, dementia; there might be many things causing crankiness.Deopending upon his age, mental and physical condition, and financial situation, it might be best if at all possible to try to put your dad into a good assisted living place near to you where you could visit him at least weekly.This would give you an optimal opportunity to try to raise your neice really wellObviously, her needs should come first.God bless you all.
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Midkid58 Aug 2020
I'm going to disagree--old age CAN make a person cranky and irritable. I was a 'super sweetie' until the 60's hit and back problems and family issues--well, just life. I have to catch myself a LOT. It's ENTIRELY due to aging. Aging HURTS. For one thing, your body hurts in places you didn't know it COULD hurt and some of those pains are permanent. I had cancer last year--chemo left me with some permanent issues. I'm only just 64, but I can see myself becoming a cranky 'old person' if I don't watch it.

Also, as we age, we become MUCH LESS RELEVANT to our kids, the world at large. Nobody really wants to hear from us and our opinions are often tossed aside. It happened so fast!

First and foremost, your niece needs to be safe and loved, if dad can't get on board with that, he can live elsewhere.

While I agree that not all old people are cranky, there are plenty of reasons to be so as you age and you feel a little--shortchanged. Now we have enough money to do whatever we want to do--we don't want to do anything. :)

"We get too late soon old and too late smart". (Sorry, I butchered that).
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Three generations under one roof and my own offspring thinks very little of me? I'd probably be cranky too.
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LoopyLoo Aug 2020
Well hello, victim blaming!
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I obviously can't address the entire situation, but here are a few "tidbits" that may be of help:

1) You didn't mention your father's age, but I was wondering whether he was either affected by the Great Depression, or if he grew up in a family in which his parents were from "the old country". If either or both of these are true, it may be that he has the attitude that "this is not a restaurant, and if you don't like what's being served, then you can consider yourself to have already eaten" toward a picky eater. However, your own experience having grown up as his child should give you some insight into this (unless you were willing to eat anything served such that this issue never came up).

2) Some people don't like a lot of "traffic" in a house. My father used to get irritated if my sister or I "came in one door and went out the other". I never quite understood the logic of this or why it was objectionable, but perhaps your father is (or has become) this way.

3) Has your father ever had a stroke? I had an uncle who suffered a stroke, and in addition to becoming partly paralyzed, he often stayed away from certain family situations, such as parties, because, as I was told, any kind of "commotion" bothered him.
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He may not be able to help it ..It may not be that he won’t be less nasty , but that he can’t be less nasty. He is who he is. You have a very difficult road ahead of you. All of the comments here are worth reading , I don’t agree with all of them . Your dad might be experiencing some jealousy there, too . There must be reasons that your parents are with you as there are reasons your niece is with you . You will not be able to reason with your dad , you have already said he had always had a mean streak . The child, her future outlook on life and her self worth would be my major concern. Are there reasons that you are alone in all of this ? Are there other people or agency’s that could be brought in to help ? My best suggestion would be to find a good CareTakers meeting for yourself. You will not be able to help anyone if you don’t take care of yourself. Prays and a Program ..
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Lots of reasons. here are just a few:
1. He’s a narcissist. Too many reasons in just this reason to list so look it up.
2. He doesn’t like children and yes, there are people who don’t like children. For example, people who weren’t raised with others, or whose parents weren’t kind to them, and often some of us love our children but aren’t so taken with others kids.
3. If he has a chronic ailment or chronic pain, it’s awful hard to cater to others and to be perfect and proper. You can’t be sweet and bubbly when you always have no less than level 7 pain 24/7.
4. Someone else brought up hearing. My husband got so upset with himself because he couldn’t hear me and had to repeat himself. Said he grew up being told to speak up and didn’t like seeing that issue with himself. He has hearing aids but it’s not as good as the natural ability to hear.
5. Fear. It’s scary getting old and losing so many things: physical and mental abilities, privacy, independence, self confidence and others losing confidence in them, etc.

So yes we can be *ssholes and grouchy as we get old, and get tired of apologizing for it. Just like when we are young, angry. entitled, obnoxious know-it-all’s and do stupid things until we’re about 40. So somewhere in there we all get about 20-30 years of happiness, respect, physical and mental fitness, companionships and camaraderie, and independence.

I’m 64 with chronic back/hip pain. My husband is 76 with chronic gouty arthritis and often unable to get around well. My mother is 95 who has end stage CHF and dementia and lives with us too. We are not a happy household most of the time. My husband and I love and respect each other, thank God. Mom is not able to understand much anymore and is a terror even with medication. Life has been mostly tough with some good times thrown in here and there. Yes, we all are grouchy but hubby and I give each other a smile and a thumbs-up to keep a goin’ and to hang in there.
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I am for also..... your niece stays...and dad has to go. This child should be able to live in an environment where she is loved and with your dad there, obviously this is not going to happen. Yep... between the two, please..please... please... your dad is not going to change; he has no respect for anyone and so he is the one that has to go. The niece has much time ahead of her and she deserves the best. Your dad has made his choices. Let him then reap the consequences. Also.... your dad could very well have some dementia and if that is the case, it is only going to get worse..........much worse for him and everyone else he is around. You all deserve some peace and "lovliness" in your home and that will not happen with him there. Hugs to you
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I'm married to an azzhole. I understand what you are saying. He has definitely gotten worse since retirement and heart surgery. I have one foot out the door.
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Well I just had to say that not all "old people are cranky"
I've worked with a lot of seniors.. and I found the majority to be lovely.
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Chemoangel1967 Aug 2020
Me too Kelli. :) I wish she, and you knew my father when he was alive...such a sweet gem, kind, thoughtful, smiling all the time, like a little kid in a candy store..loved him dearly...
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Because we have been in charge most of our lives and it’s hard to adjust having our kids be in control.
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Your niece left a bad environment and landed in another one. Better, I'm sure than what she came from, but at age 11? She's still growing and processing and someone telling her daily she's garbage--well, she's going to believe it.

I personally would choose the younger generation over the older in this case.

Lay down the law with dad. He speaks kindly to her (and others, too) or he GOES.

I had an uncle who was verbally abusive to his own kids--and ONCE to me (I was absolutely terrified of him). He was yelling at my cousin and I bravely(!) told him to leave her alone! NOBODY ever talked back to him, ever. He was shocked, and actually kind of admired my 'spunk'.

His kids were SO messed up. It was just tragic.

Getting old doesn't mean you're going to be a jerk. You just become more of what you already were.

My Dh is not accepting aging with much grace. He's only 68, but our kids are speaking up to him now and not allowing his sh&t to bug them. He thinks he's funny, I'll tell him flat out, he's being a jerk. He CAN be the nicest guy in the world--but can also be a complete idiot. I call him on his crap, all the time.
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Being an a$$hole doesn't change. Actually, it gets worse especiallly iff there are any health problems. With my Dad it was heart problem.

You need to chose between your niece and your parents. You are providing her with the same environment she left. She needs to have a safe place to land. She has to put up with this man 24/7.

What I see is a sit down with Dad without the child present. Tell him his behaviour is not going to be tolerated anymore. That he is abusing this child. She needs to be allowed to be a child. If he can't live with the child, then he and Mom will need to find other accommodations.

I also suggest that if finding your parents somewhere else to live is not an option, than you may need to find your niece another home. I also hope she is getting some counselling. She is approaching an age where girls start to act out. Believe me, you don't need the problems that come with that and caring for parents too. And if and when she acts out, she will need your undivided attention.
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Does he wear hearing aids?
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I could NEVER live with a cranky, grouchy old person. He is in your home and you need to put your foot down now!! Poor niece, she has been through enough according to your post. She needs love and kindness. We need a little more information on the health of your father. Is this new behavior, or has he always been the grouchy type? I would rethink living arrangements. Life is too short for this. I could never live with someone and take care of them 24/7 if I heard complaints, yelling and grouchiness all day long, it would drive me nuts. Perhaps he needs a psy evaluation, follow up with PCP. and a little medication to ease some of his built-up anger issues, and possibly depression. What ever the reason for such behavior, it is not acceptable. You need to find a solution now !I Your parents are living in your home, and you call the shots. Be strong and firm in a loving and kind way.
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Chellyfla Aug 2020
I have this feeling you are not a very nice person either.
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Your dad could have cognitive decline that is causing him to lose his filter or maybe, he's just cranky, because, he feels threatened by the attention your niece is getting. Seniors can be very selfish and stubborn. I've noticed that since spending more time with them. My parents are very tolerant of children, but, if the child took attention from them, I'm not sure how they might react. Plus, I think seniors often think they are right and things should go the way they want. Probably, because they are wise and know better than others. lol

I'm not sure how to turn your dad's behavior around. Maybe, he could share one o hisf hobbies with her or do a project together like a puzzle. If he's that against her, I'd likely try to make arrangements for dad to be elsewhere, while you are caring for the niece.
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All old people aren’t cranky and all old men aren’t grouchy. If your father isn’t capable of change, which is likely, it’s your job to protect a little girl from abusive comments that she doesn’t deserve. You’re caught in the middle and that’s no fun, but please err on the side of looking out for her
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How old is your father? Some of the behavior is possibly due to cognitive decline and the wearing out of his "filters". In aging people become less teachable...they are forgetting behaviors, not learning new or adjusting to new ones.
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If your parents are living with you in your house then you call the shots. It is admirable for you to take your niece in but the treatment she is experiencing with your father is abusive. She was already in that type of environment so sadly she is not being helped.

There are countless reasons why some elderly people become mean. That is the stark reality. I do feel strongly that you need to do all you can to stop the pattern your father has developed towards your niece. I imagine he does not like the change to his living environment. This child needs the help you can provide and your father needs to STOP treating her so poorly. That is your responsibility and I hope you find a solution. Otherwise you might as well send her back home.
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I would not try to justify his bad behavior. He should be told that the child is more important and he plays nice or he moves out.

He is abusing your niece and you have to protect her from his a$$holeness.

Maybe you could climb his frame in the same manner as he is doing to her to open his eyes.

I have never been around old people that didn't love kids. I can't imagine being nasty to a child that has been taken out of their home and away from their parents. He needs to go to a old folks home.
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lkdrymom Jul 2020
I have to agree...either he gets along with her or he finds other accommodations. The reason people are like this is other ALLOW them to be. Good for you putting him in his place. I know some people will say the elder is in pain so they lash out. That might be so but it still is not a good enough reason. I was lucky my father was not nasty as he got older just extremely needy. He knew I would not tolerate nasty behavior.
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