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So Mon. 9/26/22 I was up most the night with my 95yr old mom helping her to the RR and we didn't get much sleep. After a year+ with a very swollen white left foot and a now very swollen right foot and falls and hit to her head she woke up Tues. and all the swelling in both feet was gone as if it was never there, I was shocked and have no idea where it went?
Anyway, I got a call from our Hospice social worker telling me they had a bed open if I wanted to take my mom for respite so I agreed, for 5 days.
My mom was eating well, still a little mobile with a walker, able to ride in a car and speak, fuss at me. she came home not able to do any except speak a little and now barely eats.
This would be the 1st time ever. I packed her a bag and had her down there at 6pm Tues., she was so mad at me for taking her and it was just to give me a short break since I am the only caregiver. So I spoke to her by phone Wed. she seemed her cranky self but wasn't eating good like she normally does at home, I decided to go see her on Thurs. cause she was asking for me and when I saw the food they served I now know why she refused to eat it!! They had also put in a Cath due to her asking to go to the RR so much. I could see she had took a bad decline in 48 hrs so I told them I am taking her home, when she knew she was coming home she got agitated and started to scream & yell "I want to go home" broke my heart. Anyway they sedated her and I left, I ordered a hospital bed and had it set up before she arrived on Fri. at 4pm via ambulance. 2 gals and 1 guy got her in the house, they could not get the gurney in her room due to how our hallway is so they pushed her into the living room and attempted to lift her to carry her to her room, it was very clear they were not strong enough to carry her at 100 pounds so my hubby got mad and told them to get the hell out of the way before you drop and kill her, needless to say my hubby picked her up and carried her to her bed and then we had to adjust her. I still had to call lift assist out to fix her in her bed that night.
So now my mom is bones, barely eating or drinking can no longer walk and is very weak. She can still swallow pills and is putting out about 16-20oz of urine in a 24hr period which is really yellow with white stuff in it.
I have cried for 3 days now because I feel I caused this rapid decline and feel so guilty cause had I of not wanted a break she would still be eating, walking, feeding herself, fussing at me etc and I will carry this guilt with me forever. I am so heart broken that I caused this. So now I don't really know how much longer she has, I am hoping her hospice nurse will be able to come out tomorrow and see her.
Today my hubby got her up and we put her night gown on and put her in the transport chair, I made her scramble egg for breakfast and some coffee and she took her am pills. I took her out on the back porch to get some fresh air and sunshine. I want to make sure her last days, weeks, month are pleasant as can be. It's upset me so bad to the point I am not eating and in such a brain fog I don't know what to do but cry.

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CareGiver2Mom, don't feel guilty that you "think" you had set this whole thing in motion. It is no different than one day you are feel great and the next day you are down and out with a summer cold. It just happens. There is no way of preventing it. All of this is new to us, so we believe we are doing the best.

Please note at 100 lbs your Mom is what called "dead weight". At that weight, your Mom's bones could be easily fractured.

Really yellow urine could mean that Mom isn't getting enough water. Don't give her any water with ice as that could upset her stomach. Give her room temperature. For myself, it is so much better to drink :)
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Your mother is on hospice care thought to have less than 6 months to live. THIS is why she's declined recently, not due to anything 'horrible' you did to her.

Give yourself some grace here and realize that 24/7 caregiving is too much for one person to manage. Respite is recommended for ALL full time caregivers, period. Insisting you 'caused' this natural decline in your mother is not only wrong, it's causing you undue heartache and guilt as a result.

Realize that your mother will pass when God is ready to take her, and nothing you or anyone else does will prevent that from happening as part of the cycle of life.

The best thing you can do is stop crying, start eating again, and allow yourself to enjoy your time with mom now. It can be another year she has on Earth, so don't count her out quite yet, ok? We've seen elders rally ALL the time around here. Your mother is no exception.

Best of luck.
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Thank you, yes we know she is super dehydrated and her urine has white stuff in it? What is that? My hubby got her up in the wheelchair today and she had some scramble eggs for breakfast, a little sips of coffee, ate a baked potato with butter then I went and got her a frosty from wendys and she's been sipping fluid here and there. I worry about her choking at times when I see her eating so it scares me.
We have her back in bed and she's resting now.
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bundleofjoy Sep 2022
dear OP,

hug!
you’re very caring and sweet. it’s amazing all the love you give to your mother, all the wonderful things you cook for her, etc.

1.  her urine has white stuff in it

definitely get it checked out. sounds like UTI.

your mother was suddenly given a catheter in respite. catheters almost always create UTIs.

small UTIs can go away on their own: just drink lots of water.

big UTIs need antibiotics, etc.

by the way:
typical of UTI:
…makes the elderly person weak (hence more difficult to walk)
…can also create mental problems: strange talking, or slurred speech, etc.

whenever an elderly person suddenly feels weak:
think:
maybe infection.

2. sudden (physical and mental) decline after respite

i really hope she bounces back to normal (her “normal” before respite). it’s possible.

unfortunately, some facilities really do a bad job: sometimes there’s neglect, or over-drugging (it happens here in facilities where i live). over-drugging, like zombies, so they don’t bother staff.

of course i have no idea what experience your mother had in respite. i just mean, — sometimes — the cause of sudden (physical and mental) decline really is the facility, because they’re negligent.

hospitals also sometimes over-drug the elderly, so they don’t bother staff.

also, in facilities sometimes they don’t help the elderly to move/walk around enough. then you lose mobility.

also in facilities, sometimes there are infections spreading.

i hope your mother bounces back!!

you’re an amazing daughter. super loving.

and you needed a break. of course!

what else could you do?

poor you; you didn’t even get a chance to have a break. the “break” lasted less than 48 hours…
(it wasn’t a break. you had to continue to worry, solve problems).

many of us are in such impossible situations. we want to help. we also must rescue our own life.

i wish for your life, OP, to be rescued too. your mother, i’m sure, of course also wants you to have a real break. everyone needs/deserves a real break.
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She went to an Alive hospice facility and the 2nd day the social worker from there called me asking about a cath being put in and I said No I doubt my mom would allow one, they said she was wanting to get up every hour to pee like she did at home and is a fall risk which she has had many bad falls with hits to head.
Anyway when the nurse called later that day they told me they asked my mom about a cath and she agreed to it, I was livid they had went around me. I am POA too.
I hope its just a set back from the cath and what your saying, maybe a UTI. She has stage 4 kidney disease and eGfr of 25, number may be worse now though. I will ask her hospice nurse tomorrow cause I would hate for her to get/have an infection from it. She was on macrobid to prevent any UTI's and they took her off a few weeks ago. She is very week now and has no strength and can't even walk or hold herself up.
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lealonnie1 Sep 2022
White particles in the urine (for a female) can be due to kidney stones or a UTI. Also with chronic kidney disease at play, that can be why. It can also be b/c she had the catheter in, which may not have been such a bad thing since she's a fall risk. Give her a few days and see if the white particles disappear. If she's dehydrated, offer mom fruits that have a lot of water in them like watermelon. Smoothies made with juices are good too, esp if you worry about her being a choke risk. Shakes offer good hydration with little choking risk.
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With stage 4 kidney disease and a GFR of 25 anything could go wrong. I was put on dialysis when my GFR reached 26.6. You putting your mother in respite is not a reason for you to feel guilty. I doubt that putting in a cath caused her decline. At stage 4 CKD every day is a gamble.
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You should not feel guilty. Look at how much you have done for her. You have siblings who have done NOTHING. THEY should feel guilty for never helping -- THEY could have provided respite for you at the very very least!

How is it that it all became your (and only your) responsibility?
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Any guilt I may have had is push far back in my brain. For the reason CTTN55 said, I was the only one doing the caring. Look at it this way, if you had help you wouldn't have needed respite care.
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CareGiver2Mom,

I'm a retired RN and know that any change in location and the loss of the familiar for one so aged can cause a cognitive decline and that may be a contributing factor here. You cannot feel guilty for needing Respite, please remember that adage about needing to put the oxygen mask on yourself before helping others or you'll be no good to anyone. You needed a break, understandably.

The severe ankle swelling - without anything other than your description to work with here - may very well signal heart failure - CHF. Usually, unless there is circulatory obstruction, foot swelling and edema are indicators of the heart losing capacity to pump the veinous blood, resulting in third-spacing of fluids in the peripheral tissues. This swelling will temporarily decrease once the lower extremities and the heart are at the same level, decreasing the pumping demands on the heart. The swelling may have also decreased so markedly because she was given a diuretic drug while in Respite.

Since your mom had an indwelling catheter placed, they can act as a wick to bring all manner of bacteria into the otherwise 'sterile' bladder and cause a UTI - urinary tract infection. The urine being cloudy is possibly indicative of this. UTIs are capable of taking an elderly person down so low and so fast that this may explain every aspect of her changed behaviors that you've described. UTIs can cause cognitive and depression changes, lack of appetite, and a host of other symptoms.

I would contact her primary care MD, or her/his nurse, fully describe her rapid decline and the volume and cloudy appearance of her urine (you could also check it for any foul odor), report all of this and ask for a urinalysis and culture - UA/UC. You can bring a specimen in with a container that you go pick up and drop at the clinic lab. They should have record of mom's drug allergies and given the severe decline, should be willing to order an antibiotic - abx to treat this probable infection. You'll have to push fluids to help flush all of this through her system.

Ultimately, our lives and the lives of everyone we love are given a pre-determined number of days and whether this is a UTI or heart failure or some combination of these and other factors, we cannot change the timing of any passing.

Love your mother and be with her in whatever setting you can manage for as long as she has left of her earthly toil. Sometimes the slightest change may seem to hasten the inevitable, but we are all subject to a greater plan and this is not anything that is due to our actions, it just is.

Wishing you comfort in this distressing time.
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Judycares Sep 2022
You are so wise...and smart! Good messages and advice for all of us. Thanks.
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I'm sorry your mom is doing poorly and that you are feeling guilty. First, please be kind to yourself. You NEED a break! While people react differently to being away from their usual home, I'm 99.99% sure that what is happening would have happened anyhow. Give yourself permission to have had a needed yet short break.
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Wyoaviator Sep 2022
againx100 is correct.
Correlation is not causation. Just because she deteriorated at the home is no guarantee she would not have deteriorated with you taking care of her.

I know itis difficult, but don't carry that guilt burden. YOU did not cause this. Consider what would have happened if you did not take a break-you may have hurt yourself and been unable to care for her at all. As it is, she is comfortable with you rather than in a hospital down the hall from you.

The logical fallacy is "post hoc, ergo propter hoc." Literally "after this, because of this." If you want to say she deteriorated after you placed her in care, then you can say she deteriorated because the sun rose this morning too.
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Please do not blame yourself. You have been doing your best to care for her and you needed a break. Caregivers can get burnt out if they don't have breaks. You're only human! Hopefully with your good care your mother will recover as much as she can. You are doing the right thing. Be proud of yourself that you have been doing so much to care for your mother, and your heart has always been in the right place. All the best to you, your Mom and family.
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I do agree with other commenters that she may have a bladder infection. Is there any chance she can be checked for this? It could make her more comfortable.

I am so sorry for all the trouble you have had both you and your mother. I know you love each other a lot. You and your husband both needed time for yourselves. Lots of love to you and blessings.
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I think you are being too hard on yourself. Perhaps your Mum would have declined anyway - that just gave her a bit of push. YOU NEED TO HAVE A BREAK so do NOT FEEL GUILTY. At least you have her back now and hopefully things will improve. You need to eat and don't be hard on yourself - I agree with what you did. Sorry Mum went down hill but I am sure she will pick up again soon. Best wishes to you. You are a wonderful daughter. Love and hugs from Australia.
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First... never feel guilty for your decision whenever you do what you feel is best for both you and your mom with the information you are given! Once you saw the issues, you then acted promptly on that new information. Each case is individual and there is no way you could have known how her case would go.

Second... Ask for copies of the records... MAR (Medicine Administration Record), Nurses notes and Doctors orders. You may find something in there that her personal doctor could use in moving forward. If medication or dosages were changed, she may improve if it is readjusted. As others have said if she has a UTI or kidney issue, getting it treated may help her improve. Her doctor may see things that still can help her improve to make things easier for both her and you.

Just know you did what you thought best and many of us may have done the same thing... as someone else said, there is no way to know that similar issues would not have happened had she stayed home.

I know... most of the advice you receive in this forum is definitely easier said than done... remind me when I feel the guilt!
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Try not to accept false guilt. You made the best decision you could at the time to get some much-needed rest. (I've also considered doing the same thing just to get a break and some sleep.)

Anyway, your mother may rebound being back at home with your attentive care. But even if she does not, you can't take on the responsibility for her decline.
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Yes I took my wife to a care facility for a month for a broken wrist it was the worst mistake I ever made. She declined substantially and never recovered and is still declining. I got her home health and she is doing better but more importantly she is happier. I can’t imagine what torture it was for her.
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I am my 91 yr old moms primary 24/7 caregiver(not paid)...I make decisions for her every day based on her medical needs ie retaining water - give more lasix,reduce salt, etc etc.....sometimes these decisions cause or coincide with a decline....i decided to give mom the new bivalent booster - well she almost died on us 8 hrs after the shot - vomiting,diarhea,shaking chills and couldnt even pick her head off pillow - before the shot she was stable....2 days after shot, she fell - had a small wound back of leg - now its cellulitis and she is on round the clock antibiotics......i feel guilty that i gave her shot - point is - we as caregivers have so much responsibility and we arent GOD and we will not always make the right decisions.....my dad died 4 yrs ago in inpatient hospice - he went within 3 days after they started morphine in hospice - i feel like i killed him - the guilt is always going to be there - ITS AWFUL......your mom sounds like a strong lady and she is lucky to have you and be home....im trying to do the same for my mom ie keep her home! good luck!
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first off, none of this is your fault. Sometimes the insertion of a Cath can cause a UTI, that in itself can cause some of the issues you’re seeing. Older women don’t present with the same set of symptoms a younger women would have. See if a urine analysis and culture can be ordered from her physician as soon as possible so she can be treated and abate any further decline.
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You are it , and if you don’t take care of yourself you are no good to mom or anyone else for that matter . I am an only child and I have had guilt
my whole life , but the guilt of taking care of a parent and making decisions with their care is one of the most difficult to do. I finally said I can’t do this anymore and I am taking each day and trying not to be hard on myself with what decisions I make .. God has a plan and old age is also a factor even if you were a doctor you still should say “I have done the best I could” and leave it at that . Repeat that to yourself it does wonders .
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Please don’t feel guilty. You’re not Super woman. None of us are. Imagine if you were not around. She might have already been gone. It sounds like she might have a UTI. Once you get that under control, she might feel better. Have her doctor check her out. When my MIL was with her second husband living in our home, we had them moved to a really nice nursing home after eight years with us. They both needed 24/7 care at that point and we worked full time. When that facility shut down, we had them moved to an available facility. My MIL died a day and a half later. Sometimes moving them in their fragile state can not only upsets them, it can cause their health to rapidly decline. For some, change is hard as you get older. It sounds like you are doing an amazing job at caring for your Mom. She’s lucky to have you for a daughter. I would recommend getting some help in the home, even if it’s just part time. You need caring for too!
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I am saddened to read this. It is exactly what I have saw over the years with other family members and friends who placed their loved one in a Hospice, Respite, or other facility. There are several layers to what may have happened.

1st, her not wanting to be there could've left her in negative thoughts that she marinated in - hindering desires to do what she would normallly do at home.

2nd, when the staff inserted a cath, if not done properly and changed regularly, it could result in a UTI or if she had an existing UTI upon check-in, it sped-up the infection spread.

3rd, in most Hospice environments, they do not put much effort in to encourage your loved one to eat or drink -- so there could've been days when she ate and/or drank nothing or next-to-nothing -- this only adds to a decline and extreme weakness. That's how a person declines fast in most cases because the body needs fuel/carbs/protein for every organ and cells to operate optimally. The Hospice team is trained to do the very least for a patient but try to keep them "comfortable". If the patient is what they deem as a disturbance or uncooperative, they will sedate as you shared with us.

4th, there could be some bad treatment by a staff member unbeknownst to anyone but her that further made her shut down. I walked in one time on a nurse in a hospital setting being rude to my mother. I pulled the nurse aside and talked with her and the Charge nurse together about what I witnessed, and they both agreed that the bedside manner needed improvement.

I learned that if your loved one is placed anywhere, you have to be in contact with the nurses to monitor fluid and food intake, bathroom use, medicine administered, mood, hygiene needs, therapy, etc.

If they can't answer your questions, then they are not documenting your loved ones needs and monitoring them at a high-level to avoid further medical issues such as weakness and UTI.

I believe my mother has lived so long with her illness (5 years longer than expected) because she is not in a facility and she is cared for well. Unfortunately, most facilities don't believe in transparency, if they did, they would allow you to place a RING monitor in your loved one's room to listen-in and see how your loved one is being treated.

Please get your mother to the ER and have her tested with a full blood and urine test to determine the possible reasons for her weakness. It could be a vitamin deficiency, UTI, etc. If she can drink at this time, I would encourage her to start drinking a high protein/fat/carb shake to boost her up for the ER.

Don't be hard on yourself. You did what you felt you needed to do for your health & wellness. Hoping the best for you and your mother.
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KaleyBug Sep 2022
I believe as you do. My dad will be turning 99 in November because he is still at home.
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If you are not familiar with the Area Agencies on Aging, which have a respite program you can access, do a google search on the internet for Area Agencies on Aging for your state. There will be several and you select the one that serves the county you live in. Call their contact number and tell them your need for respite services. Generally someone will come to your home to give you time for yourself. Area Agencies on Aging are part of the national Aging Network, which is administered under the Administration on Aging at the federal level and includes State Aging Units in each state and Area Agencies within each state. You can talk to someone who will help you find out what services you can access to help you with your Mom.
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Your Mom is 95... 95!!! At that age anything can go wrong. Any body is facing an uphill battle as far as health is concerned at 95. You have NOTHING to feel guilty about. You made the best decision you could at the time, and you really have no idea why she seems to be declining - but everyone is declining at 95 btw. But first yeah - stop beating yourself up over this. Second - try and take care of yourself. Thirdly, take a look into a possible UTI - if it's that, they can treat it at least. Fourth - try and spend some quality time with your Mom. If she's cranky or angry that is NOT your fault. Again - she has YOU to thank for making it this far! Go easy on yourself - your life matters too.
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You should not feel guilty. I did for the first 3 months my dad passed away. Before the last time he went to the er he had been in and out of the hospital for the samething which they could never find out why. The last time he passed out at home. He was in the bathroom when I heard a noise and found him passed out unresponsive with his arm hanging over the rail we put around the toilet I had really hoped and prayed it was something else because I knew he wouldn’t be coming back home if I had to call 911 because the day before the va had called my sister and told her he needed long term care. Then I keep reminding myself with what the hospice chaplain had told me. It was better for me to call 911 because I wouldn’t have wanted to have the guilt of I should have called 911. I know it’s hard not to blame yourself but you really can’t. Her not eating and drinking is a sign that she is getting closer to the end of life I know that is hard too handle and I really have a hard time telling you that I’m sorry. Hospice should have given you some information to read on this subject. You can also get online and read about it. That’s where I got a lot of my information from. I wish you the best.
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KaleyBug Sep 2022
If your dad was passing out on the commode that can be a sign they are bearing down to hard. When this happened to mom the first time the ambulance EMT said it happens a lot with seniors
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You didn't cause the change in Mom. Pure and Simple, given your urine description, Mom has a severe UTI!! UTI's, left untreated, wreak havoc with the entire body. My wife, 90, gets them all the time; especially now that she doesn't clean herself as well or much as she used to and fights attempts to assist. Since I assist her a lot, I have learned to detect the horrid scent it generates. 2 months ago, I missed the signs and she exhibited everything you described, EVERYTHING!! I was so worried I was losing her. The Hospice nurse came quickly; diagnosed the symptoms and got her on meds right away. She was fine in a few days. Hopefully, by now, you've gotten Mom taken care of and FORGAVE yourself. You did nothing wrong!!
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Please contact a Geriatric Psychiatrist to discuss the "Cycle of Life," "5 Stages of Grief" and letting go.

Your words, "I have cried for 3 days now because I feel I caused this rapid decline and feel so guilty cause had I of not wanted a break she would still be eating, walking, feeding herself, fussing at me etc and I will carry this guilt with me forever. I am so heart broken that I caused this. So now I don't really know how much longer she has, I am hoping her hospice nurse will be able to come out tomorrow and see her."

You are confusing your grief with guilt about her demise.................she is on her own path; you need to accept that the decline is here and has nothing to do with you. As for when her death will occur, that is not up to you unless you have been given the task of pulling the plug.

When my mother was dying, I had to finally accept that her body and mind were ready to go and that I would NEVER be ready to lose her: I just had to let go and let God. I would never wish for a long life on anyone who was suffering, they need to go when their bodies start shutting down.
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Your mom is 95 years old, and you are blaming yourself for her decline? This could happen anytime, no matter where they live. In my case, I placed my husband in Respite Care for a month. I didn't get to visit him for 15 days because I got Covid. When I did get to see him, he was participating in all the activities available. He is almost neurotic about keeping his schedule of activities. He has made many friends, gained weight, and is contented. He is actually interesting to talk to now because of all his interactions with others and things he gets to do. Because my husband flourished so much better while in Respite than he did while at home (in-home caregivers, adult day health care), I placed him permanently. Now I finally have time to enjoy his company and take care of all my personal serious health issues too.
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You did NOT cause this. She may have a UTI from the catheter. Have her urine checked. She is in her 90’s and in poor health. This is not your or anyone’s fault. She may just be at the end of her life. Enjoy the time you have left with her and be kind to yourself. You needed a break as we all do and you have done your very best for her. Hugs 💜💜
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My mom was in rehab for 20 days after a fall…Learning to use a wheelchair. Took the last Moderna shot and within 24 hrs experienced temp of 101 and then cleared but within a few days started having seasonal sinus type of issues which turned in to rapid decline to pneumonia. I too feel guilty thinking If I had worked harder at getting her back to my home, she might have avoided getting pneumonia. Making these decisions are hard.
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You are not alone, I did experience tremendous stress some months ago and although different situation, it led to no sleeping, eating etc. I also had tremendous guilt at not doing everything right, not preventing or anticipating events.
I came to realization, I am not perfect, and definitely not perfect caregiver and I never will be, but I cannot do it alone, I need help, respite.
Some therapy and detachment was needed as I came to realize how I cannot blame myself and I have no power nor control led me to read a lot about guilt, some notes I kept and even if they don’t apply to your situation perhaps one or two points you will find helpful:
As a caregiver, it might seem like there’s everything you feel guilty about.
You might feel guilty over:
Feeling resentful, trapped,
Feeling that you’re not as good of a caregiver as you should be or that others are doing a better job
Not visiting enough
Wishing it was over
Wanting time for yourself, asking for help, hiring an in-home caregiver, or using respite care so you can have a much-needed break
Common misconceptions about how caregivers should feel or what they should do and the guilt that comes from not living up to those unreasonable standards can really hurt you.
These beliefs can push you to take on unrealistic responsibilities, avoid getting the help you need and deserve, and be too hard on yourself. 
1. Acknowledge that you feel guilty
The first step in solving a problem is to admit that it exists. When you suppress a feeling, it only becomes more intense. 
Identify when you’re feeling guilty and acknowledge the thoughts and emotions. That can help reduce the feeling and let it pass.
For example, say “I feel guilty because I snapped at mom this morning over something trivial because I’m exhausted.”
2. Check your expectations against reality
Having unrealistic expectations causes unnecessary guilt. 
When you think “I should be able to take care of everything without feeling resentful or exhausted,” check that against reality. 
Would you really expect that all other caregivers should be able to do that and keep it up forever? No, of course not. It’s unrealistic and not something you should expect of yourself.
Or, if you think “I should never move my older adult to assisted living or nursing care, no matter what,” think about the reality of the situation. 
There are so many situations where keeping someone at home is unrealistic and could cause serious harm to the older adult or the caregiver. 
If a friend had told you about a situation like that, you would agree that a move is the best solution for everyone’s health and safety.
3. Don’t compare your worst moments with someone else’s.
Based on what you might see or hear about other caregivers, it could seem like they’re doing a better job. 
You might think they’re better at coping with stress, hands-on care, working with family, or finding resources.
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ChirsM Oct 2022
This is very good, thanks for sharing. I am grieving my husband after 11 yrs if Alz, and i spend a lot of time asking myself if I did everything possible to makes his life as good as possible, so i will remind myself of what you say. It is very difficult to adjust to being on my own after 50 yrs married.
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God Bless you for getting her out of there in time!!! The neglect and abuse in many of these places is despicable. I was too late to save my sister by the time I found out what they were doing to her.

You are a wonderful person! Do not beat yourself up for not knowing. They have deceived so many. Be grateful that she is with you again and surrounded by people who love her. Praying for all of you! I am so happy she is home. Bless you and your family!
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