I guess I'm just venting. They say there are only two realities in life: Death and taxes. Not true. It is death, taxes, and bills. Mom died just a few months ago, and I am still getting filed bills from services performed a year ago. What surprises me these medical idiots file the bills a year later AFTER the service was performed. This makes me afraid to seek medical doctors because I could get surprises even a year or more after. For five seconds in the hospital you can get bills at all directions in every way possible. Hospitals will bend over backward to create bills representing a great deal of creativity to deplete your bank account. That's why I refuse to see a doctor, even with medical insurance. I'm afraid of the surprise billing which pop up when mom was alive.
While I am getting a hold of this "new life" of mine--life without mom--these bills bring back a lot of pain.
These bills are under mom's name. I'm not paying any of them. I have to go through the motions and if I get a bill from home I sent them a copy of her death certificate.
Death is painful not just the actual process, but the enormous flood of paperwork. Why must life be so painful. What made it easier was preparing for her death such as pre-arranged cremation, and I did estate planning five years ago while mom was still able. I feel sorry for anybody who has not done these things. Funeral homes will really gouge you if you don't do a preplanned burial or cremation.
Now I have to get through doing her taxes. For the last time. More pain.
Even with all this preplanning it still is painful. I can't imagine how awful it would be to have to deal with probate AND these ongoing billing issues on top of that.
Use return envelope to company ABC with contents from company ZYX.
Helped me a few years ago.
HOWEVER, to my knowledge, most insurance companies have a clause that basically says that any medical bills that haven't been paid within 1 year of the date of service must be written off by the company doing the billing. Be mindful, they know that they have to write things off, but they are trying to collect any way they can, and some keep trying to get the payment even when they are past the expiration time that the insurance company has in it's contract with the provider. If the insurance company knows they are still billing you and they aren't owed more, the insurance company can help you to get the bills to stop, if it's within their clauses.
I went through this with my mother, and the kicker is that she worked for the hospital as a claims processor so we already knew the methods they try to use to get paid. We also already knew that past 1 year they have to write it off if the insurance company has already worked the claim. The best bet for you is to contact the insurance company directly, ask them if they made payment of the claim, request the EOB, and then contact the provider that is billing you. Make sure you specifically ask the insurance company how long the provider has to collect the debt before they are required to write the debt off. The thing is if there was insurance involved, they pay first, then they bill for the remainder. If you didn't get a bill for the service and an entire year has passed since the date of service, likely they will have to write it off.
The thing about medical bills is that everyone has their fingers in the procedure. Hospitals bill for the rooms, the nurses, etc, but the doctors that come in bill you separately, then anything that is done procedurally is billed separately, if they draw blood, those phlebotomists bill for drawing blood, the tests they do are billed by both the lab for the lab processing, and the service by the person doing the service. The medical field is BIG business, and everyone has sticky fingers and the price tags are HUGE. Be informed, ask the insurance company questions. If it was a hospital situation, talk to the hospital financial advisor. Make sure before they do any procedure that they are certain the procedure will be covered, and make sure there are witnesses to hear their answers when they give them. It's all about the money.
In my mother's case, truly, we always only ever felt like the Nurses were the ones who truly cared. They were amazing and we are ever grateful for the ones we had. Also, when I went through this I did not have to provide one single death certificate, those things alone are outrageously expensive, so if you send them out, request they be sent back, even if you have to provide a self addressed stamped envelope. Don't provide one unless they specifically request one either, they usually never need it, the insurance company can usually verify a death to a provider.
Let me say also, I'm so very sorry for your loss, my mother and I didn't have the greatest relationship, and even though we didn't I was still there for her until the very end. I know the pain of loss, and the pain of everything you are now dealing with that has been heaped upon you on top of just trying to be able to breathe and grieve. Please remember to take time away from all the "must do" things to handle things, and give yourself "you time" It's incredibly important right now that you look after you. Everything else you can do a little at a time. I still haven't been able to bring myself to go through and pack up my mother's clothes. I wish you the best of luck right now, and hope that you can find your way to some peace.
Read the top of the statement. If it says Summary then its not a billing statement . It will say further down "between months of 00/00 and 00/00. They are very confusing because you have probably already received the statement and paid the bill. I really don't see where they are needed.
Navy, that 1700 maybe an adjustment. I had one for a 1000 come thru. The date in question had been paid. I held on to the paperwork but was never billed by the doctor. So, I eventually threw it out. The important paper is your supplimental statement. That shows what Medicare paid and the supplimentals share. If a balance, that should match up to what the doctor billed you. Once I have matched everything up and it agrees. I pay the doctor bill and ditch the medicare and supplimental paperwork. I only keep them if a problem with a doctors bill.
Used to be you had the statements long before the dr. bill. Now its seems the Drs. are being paid faster and the paperwork from Medicare and supplimental is slow coming.
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If there's no estate (sounds like it), no probate to go through and no funds of mom's left, there's nothing to pay (I do believe any funds in a joint account becomes yours if the other person passes.) If the choice is to pay a medical bill vs EC atty, it might be cheaper to pay the medical bill! There really isn't a need for EC atty at this point.
Both were hoarders and all mom's stuff ended up at our house as I was given 3 days to clean out her over stuffed AL room. It has taken months to sort through everything. Even found a life insurance policy from her former job that she never told me about. I saved some pictures and knick knacks with sentimental value. All the rest of it was donated as neither siblings nor grandkids showed any interest in the family mementos. My house is overflowing and I just don't have the room. It just makes me sad. They are just waiting for whatever's left of the nest egg, and then will probably piss it away. Once my father passes, I'll finally be free of the whole dysfunctional energy vampire family, and get my life back.
It's never easy but will get better with time. Best of luck.
Wish I could get you in touch with my bros. When you said "...it is still a shit ton of work keeping their stuff straight, copying, filing, paying bills, balancing checkbook, keeping track of accounts, saving receipts for everything spent and paid, etc. Now doing taxes as well." my first thought was yeah, I hear that!
Doing all that while trying to get the condo cleared out, cleaned up and repairs done (1.5 years of my life gone!) I told OB it was all too much and his response was loud, nasty "Then give it up!" No offer to help, No suggestion what to do if I did "give it up." I don't even talk to him anymore. He was physically abusive to me during his last trip to "help", so I'm done. More recently telling YB it was too much, his response was to say that the facility does it all... Ummm, no. I won't bother listing it, as you've covered most of it!
The only thing I haven't done (other than my time and gas money to get all that condo shit done) is spend my money on our mother - even if I wanted to, I don't have enough to cover my own needs right now! So, I manage the trust and her income as best I can and they haven't said boo. They both have access to the trust, so if there are questions, they should be asking NOW, not after mom is gone. Post death, taxes, any remaining bills to pay, then you get your 1/3, take it, shut up and be gone!
Are the creditors billing properly? The bills were hers and whatever insurance beside Medicare she had.
If your Mom left funds, you need to pay the bills out of her funds, although, unless it's a large estate, it is unlikely any creditor will sue the estate.
If somebody is executor of your mom's estate, let them handle the bills. If this is your task, do your best.
Return to sender and be done with it.
After FIL died, we paid all 'true' bills and refused the rest. (old ones, some 2 years old). No retribution, they accepted his death certificate as proof that he wasn't capable of paying. We did pay for hir new dentures, and when I went to the office to pay the bill, they handed me a box with the new denture inside. I lost it. They looked like 'dad's teeth' and I was so sad he never got to use them, His old ones never fit well and these were expensive and nice. I'm just standing there, holding a set of dentures that cost $1,000 and didn't want them. Why he went to the dentist when he was in Hospice and knew he was dying to get new teeth was beyond me. I left them at the dentist, they were hardly something anyone else could use.
As far as ins co and slow pay--my chemotherapy of almost a year ago was FINALLY paid in January. They just did not want to shell out $150,000 in 2019, and they didn't. I fought them tooth and nail and they always had an 'excuse' for why they weren't paying. It was frustrating beyond belief and made me opt OUT of the follow up regimen my doc wants me to do b/c 5 more years of life (maybe) is not worth the incredible hassle my ins co gave me.
Shame, shame, shame on them.
Another thing--when I called the hospital and asked if bills could be sent to my home instead of my mother's home, they said fine, as long as I agreed to be the responsible party. I said no way!