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First let me answer your question. No, I don't think it's wrong for you to hope your mother dies, as long as your hope is done in a way that it doesn't leave you with unending guilt. Your mother is a tremendous burden for you. You have taken care of her to the point of complete exhaustion with no relief in sight. You're looking for a way to end your devotion that you have lived with for so long. All of these things are leaving you with trying to find a way out which is normal.

I'm assuming you have already looked into placing your mother in a nursing home which would give you instant freedom from what you are going through. If I'm right then things will remain as they are, but you do have another option that will help a little. Have you inquired about home health care? Your doctor has to order it and if approved your mother would get weekly visitations from a nurse and both physical and occupational therapists, and possibly an aide that will bathe your mom. It's a little bit but it would at least give you some free time. There is one other possibility. If your mother has very little income she might qualify for Medicaide which would pay for her nursing home stay. Your mothers state that she resides in has to be one that has a Medicaide program that will pay for her NH stay.

Getting back to your question. My wife was extremely ill with so many health problems that made it difficult to help her. I was at her side daily. I too hoped her end would come so her suffering would stop, but I did it through God, and admittingly I did it for myself. I was worn out. I don't think I did anything wrong by asking God to end my wifes suffering. It was the only thing I could think of to help her.

My wife did pass away and I did feel guilt for what I had done. I went to my church and told the priest what I had done. It was a confession and God forgave me. But I have to tell you, I still have thoughts about praying for my wifes life to end. It will never end and I strongly believe I did the right thing.

May you find help in some way. Talk to God. Tell him your story. He'll be listening.
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The OP posted this in 2012, 7 years ago.
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Our Mothers must be related somehow, because my mom is never and I mean never happy never has been and never will be!!! She is 82 has alzheimers/dementia. She loves to make everyone around her miserable. She even told me she was going to make my life miserable! So I know exactly how you feel. Thanks for sharing just knowing that I am not alone in this feeling is a big help.
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Ginna011 Sep 2020
Nursing home !!!
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I wish for it daily........
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If someone is suffering horribly why wouldn’t you want them to die? Yes, I do think this is completely normal to want their misery to end.

You will miss them but also be relieved.
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I am in the same situation but a different boat. My mother, who has been unhealthy for years, suffered several strokes three years ago that have basically bedridden her other than going to bathroom and into living room for meals, and to do that we have to be there to help her up and stay beside her or she will fall. We then help her into bed. We care for her 24/7, 365 a year. She can hardly hear, see, and has many other ailments.

We work full time, with vacations taken at home spent taking care of her, or burning sick time at work to take care of her. I ask myself this question, and being a Momma's boy, I'm racked with guilt, grief and tears when I wish she was no longer around in such pain and misery, and yes, in my way. However, she loves my brother and I and forgives everything we say or do, saying she would rather die at home with us caring for her, even though we sometimes take out our resentment of caring for her on her in words and deeds. She deserves so much better than we can give her, IMHO, which I've told her. And of course, our sister and other family members offer no help other than sending food, clothes, holiday goodies, and other stuff to her. Some never call to just check on her.

I don't think it's wrong to think and feel this, but it sure hurts like heck. I try and remember if I live long enough, I'll be in the same shape. But I wouldn't want to be here in that shape myself.

Good luck, my parents seemed superhuman to me as I look back at my 8 year old self...how cruel life seems to me now though.
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lealonnie1 Apr 2020
Hi Timmy. After reading your comment, I thought I'd share something with you that a Catholic priest said to me not long ago. He told me that he prays for his 91 y/o mother to die on a daily basis. That she deserves to die, to be with God, finally, out of pain, and onto the next leg of her endless journey of life. "Death" of the physical body is just that: the end of the body. It's the spirit that lives on eternally. His mother suffers from dementia & lives in Assisted Living, as my mother does. He & I spoke at length about whether it's 'wrong' to pray for a loved one to die, and he smiled broadly when he said 'absolutely NOT'. It's the right thing to do, in fact, to wish someone a better life that is free of pain and suffering.

And for you, my friend, you are doing more than enough for your mother. I hope you can see that and FEEL that, because I'm sure that SHE does. You are only human, and as such, doing your very best which IS good enough!

Wishing you all the best.
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I feel the exact same way about my narcissist and decades of an abusive mother who is completely ungrateful for all I have done for her. She did not deserve my help. She has completely isolated herself from family and has no friends. I am the only living child that speaks to her now. My sister has been estranged from her for 10 yrs. I, myself was estranged from her for many yrs too. But got a call from Adult Protective Services and Social Worker from across the country from me that she has some dementia and would be placed on Medicaid, (loose her SS and pension) and moved into a group home if I did not take responsibility for her. I felt badly and moved her back and into assisted living. She is negative, mean, Demanding and ungrateful. Ink cares about her own needs. Never asks about Me or my kids and family.
I too look forward to getting a call someday to put an end to her misery and give me some freedom from it.

I do not feel guilt thinking this and nor should you. Life is short and we have the right to enjoy ours.
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Better question is it wrong to hope someone is no longer in pain!
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It's not bad to want someone who's suffering not to suffer any longer. None of us want our loved ones to suffer.

Someone else posted a heartless "I wish she was dead" post a couple of weeks ago, because the loved(?) one was interfering with the poster's plans for her dream wedding. There was no compassion for her boyfriend's mother's health, and it was instead all about her. That's wrong, because she never seemed to grasp that she was completely devoid of any empathy for an older person whose health and life was declining and they weren't doing it gracefully enough for the poster.

You are certainly allowed to wish your mother peace. It will come one day.
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Sarah3 Nov 2020
I didn’t read that post but if the mil was as you describe interfering in their wedding plans that’s wrong period, regardless of the persons age. Age can be used as a tool or excuse to manipulate or get a pass on unacceptable behavior. My sympathy or empathy for this would be with the bride to be not wanting her special day interfered with
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This is a post from 2012.
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gladimhere Oct 2020
The thread will shut down to comments when a period of six months has passed without comment. This is an issue for many.
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JoAnn29,

Do I hear you saying that this thread should die?

It does seem to be a living topic for many.
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NeedHelpWithMom Nov 2020
I don’t understand how the threads work. Some go on forever! Other good topics are shut down or never even in the rotation to be answered. It’s strange.

Sometimes one comment will shut down a thread. Ridiculous! Just delete that one comment and allow others to post on the thread.
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Acknowledge that you would like your mother to die and have all this negativity be over with. Don't punish yourself by judging whether the feeling is "right" or "wrong."

You can probably find support to help you feel justified in feeling the way you and you would like to feel less guilty about these feelings.

Feelings are whatever they need to be. If you "deserve" to feel guilty, then accept that you may feel bad about yourself over this, but don't let it overwhelm you. If you acknowledge how you feel without trying to justify it, it will have less impact on your life.
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I, too, wish for my mother to pass. She was mean when we were growing up, but it was probably because she was overwhelmed. All of us married young to get away from home and had a great deal of difficulty maintaining a relationship with her. However, 15 years ago (when I was 50) my husband, at his suggestion, and I moved 600 miles to be closer to my parents. They were in their late 70s and were independent but needed help going to doctor visits because they didn't understand or remember what was said. As time progressed they needed more and more help until I was spending most of my nonworking hours at their house. They finally moved in with us 2 years ago when my Dad (91) entered hospice and Mom (89) kept trying to get him out of bed. My brother had installed security cameras in various rooms of their home so we could make sure they were safe. If I wasn't watching and a sibling was, and there was a situation, they would call me and I'd go over and make sure they were OK.
My dad passed away 2 months after they moved in with us (Parkinson's, with a fast and sad decline) and Mom still lives with us. The first several months were difficult because she was focused on their finances. She also has dementia and couldn't remember what was said, couldn't remember that she had a memory book that showed everything, couldn't remember that Daddy had died, worried if there was money to pay for his funeral and headstone, etc., and it was very trying. My brother and his wife had put their lives on hold for about 9 months before my Dad passed. They live a few hundred miles away but put a travel trailer on my parents' property and were here weekly. However, shortly after Daddy passed and things were "settled" I felt abandoned because everyone else's life went back to normal and I still felt I needed support to help with Mom.
My mom is a precious little lady now, sweet and tiny (97 pounds fully dressed) and we get along well. I call her my little baby doll and she is very appreciative of all the help we provide (bathing, dressing, basically all of her ADLs except for eating)....but I still am looking forward to a time when I am not responsible for her.
She is ready to go, and when she passes, I don't think I'll have any regrets. I used to feel bad, but she "exists" more than lives. She feels bad that she needs so much help, but like I said, she is very appreciative for everything we do. I know I'm blessed because she isn't demanding and mean like some the rest of you care for.
I think most of us feel guilty for wanting our loved one to die so we can get on with our lives, but as long as we are caring for them in a loving way while they are here, there isn't any reason to feel guilty.
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I am sorry Janice. It’s very hard.
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You know who she is, because you have told us that right here. For some reason of your own you have kept contact with her; I won't ask because I am certain it would take a book to tell me. Perhaps consider now cutting back on that contact in a way that allows your better angels to come to your shoulder. It might allow you to feel a bit more compassion, rather than this dread and grief.
As to it being wrong to want someone to die? No, really, gently, it is not wrong imho. My parents lived to mid 90s, and were no longer comfortable at the end, were suffering. When they died, loving kind and marvelous that they had always been, what I felt for them was relief. I helped my bro in the last year of his life when he was, at 85, diagnosed with probable early Lewy's dementia. He was afraid for his future. He was the rock in my world, Hansel to my Gretel in every dark wood of my life. And I felt relief for him when he died before Lewy's could do its worst. I miss him. But he is with me in my heart.
You are witness to great suffering. You cannot even comfort yourself with knowing the person you are witness to had a wonderful life. You are desperate not to see it, and there isn't a question in my mind that if you had a magic want you would wave it and all the suffering would be gone from your Mom, from you, from all the world.
Be gentle on yourself. Your wishes for release for all involved is the opposite of evil. It is filled with grief and goodness. Know that there are many good people of faith (I myself am an atheist) here who have prayed to their gods to stop the suffering.
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This is certainly an issue for me tonight. A short recap of my story: My parents both had severe mental illness when I was growing up. Mom had borderline personality disorder and Dad had severe clinical depressive episodes. They were (deep down, I believe) good people who were handicapped by diseased minds. I can see that as an adult, but it made for a crappy childhood many times, and I have few happy memories of times with them. Dad was out of work more than in work, Mom was of that generation where moms didn't work, and so family finances were nil. They had no extended family to help with anything, and so our lives were defined by mental illness, great family financial stress, and few sources of help.
Fast forward to my adulthood. In my late 30s and early 40s (while raising 3 boys of my own and working full time) my mother developed early onset Alzheimers. Dad did his best to care for her but ultimately the last 2 years fell on me. When it was over, I was so burned out there was little left of me. (another story for another time, but those of you who have cared for an Alzheimers patient understand, I'm sure). On top of that, the years of caring for her took a toll on my marriage. After she passed, I spent the next 2 years having to pull my marriage out of the toilet and that just further left me feeling burned out and like an emotional zombie.
During this time of burnout and emotional zombie-hood, my father started needing more and more care. I just didn't have much left to give. I gave lip service to his care--made sure he had groceries, took him to doctor's appointments, picked up prescriptions, and called once a day to check in. Those are all good, but he honestly needed more. He needed to be in ALF or in my home getting more daily attention. I knew that, and I chose to ignore that because I just didn't want to give one drop more. I prayed for the Lord to just take him. And I didn't pray from some altruistic desire for his suffering to end. I prayed because I didn't want to be the one taking care of him. I think I would have done better for him if I wasn't already burned out from the years of mom's care, but maybe that's an excuse.
Anyway, this week we placed Dad on hospice care and he has about a week left. I'm wracked with guilt realizing that this is exactly what I hoped for. I never wished ill for him and certainly never wished he would suffer, but I did wish he would go away and I would be released from the responsibility to care for him. I'm just still stuck in emotional zombie land with nothing to give anyone, including my own father. How he ended up on Hospice is another long story but he likely would not be dying if he had been receiving better/more engaged daily care and attention. I know that, and I'm ashamed for not doing more to see that he got that care. And I'm ashamed for wishing he would just go away so I wouldn't have to put energy into finding ways to get him that care.
Oh, this is so hard.
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XenaJada Nov 2020
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I’m sorry. This is So difficult for us!
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Let me just say that I don’t think that anyone wishes for anyone to be dead.

We want the suffering to end. In my case, my mom is so tired of being here.

She has many good reasons to want to leave this world.

She has struggled with Parkinson’s disease for a long time.

She’s bed bound in hospice now.

She misses my dad terribly.

She sees a child who is a great comfort to her. She dreams of her but says she has seen her while she is awake too.

It’s fascinating. This child is about five years old and has told my mom that she will be with her until the end and will keep her safe from harm.

Through it all, mom smiles at her caregivers and the nurses. She is very tired though. She’s 95 and indeed ready to leave this world.

I am anticipating it, doing my very best to prepare but I have a feeling that I will feel relief and grief equally. I don’t know exactly what to expect really. I just hope that I can hold it together.

I am relieved that my mom made her burial arrangements.

I didn’t do so well with making my brother’s arrangements or going with my mom to make daddy’s funeral arrangements.

Has life with mom been perfect? No, absolutely not. It doesn’t matter.

We all have good and bad memories in life.

I prefer overall not to give too much credence to the painful periods and I take comfort in happier times.

Hey, it took quite awhile for me to learn those lessons in therapy! I am not about to discard what I have learned.
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Daughterof1930 Apr 2021
Please don’t worry about holding it together. Putting on a brave face when dealing with such loss is just too much. Last summer when I was losing my dad, I felt much like you. He was so tired of his poor health, tired of missing his loved ones, especially my mom. I could never say I wanted him to go, but I often told him I understood that life had lost its joy and that was okay. My dad spoke of seeing those he missed, no idea of he meant he was already seeing them or looking forward to it. Dying really is a solo journey. You’re so right in focusing on happy memories and letting the rest go, very wise. I’m glad you’re getting this time with your mom, she’s blessed to have you in her corner
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You should not hope that someone dies. Then you will have that guilt inside of you. Trust me I know. I one wished my High School teacher dies beacuse he was so mean. The next day he died. He died getting shot at right in front of the school.So you see you should not hope someone dies.
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The short answer here is NO it's not wrong to hope someone dies. Please stop beating yourself up over this. These feelings are totally normal for caregivers. Your mom is trying to make you miserable because it's the only thing that she has left to do before she dies. I watched my grandad die of COPD before it was called that and it was 1.8 years of slow decline. I just wanted him out of pain. I have never understood why people object to dying with dignity and on their own terms instead of rotting in bed making everyone around them miserable. Have you thought about speaking to a counselor? or minister? Please for your own mental health stop beating yourself up.
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Hello BelleFleur, So sorry you have to deal with these feelings. I feel so guilty because I wish the same for my MIL. I am so tired of the guilt. I was just about to ask, how do you continue to care for someone you just don't like, when I clicked on the forum and saw your question. She has always been a miserable, ungrateful person. Now I'm struggling because I brought her into our home when my FIL passed 10 mos ago. It has been terrible for my marriage and my sanity. My advise is do not bring her into your home, if that becomes an option. I plan to have my care situation in order when I get to her stage, so my son doesn't have to sacrifice his life for me. My MIL never took care of any elders, but didn't make plans for when she needed car, so here we are. I thought I could do it, but all my old bells are ringing as I encounter her behavior everyday. I try to tell myself she has dementia and doesn't know better, but she is still having a negative affect on me. Why do those that are so miserable, and curse life continue to live, while others fight for their lives? We lost our daughter at 15 to leukemia, and it's so hard to listen to an 85 year old continue to complain about a long healthy life she is still fortunate to have. I wish you peace.
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mypoormom2021 Aug 2021
I am so sorry to hear about your daughter. Peace and love. <3
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I wish my mom would pass from time to time. For many reasons. Sometimes it's because she has the WORST LUCK with the most random crap and guess who gets to pick up the pieces every time? Me. Selfish of me, I know, but also why me? Sometimes it's because i want her to be with my dad again. She's so lonely. Sometimes it's because I know she's trapped in a body that doesn't work, and there are a million things worse than death and this is one of them. Sometimes I just want her out of pain. Sometimes I just want peace for everyone.

When my dad died, i was so mixed with relief and guilt and sadness. It would be a lie to say that dealing with one sick parent is now easier that one parent is gone. Sometimes I also wonder "if one parent was going to die, it should be my mom first."

The point is, your mom will die. We all will. Wishing death on someone (without an evil intent) is normal. There are worse things than death. No one can deny death usually brings an unsettling peace to many caregivers.

What you can do to change your thinking pattern is to wish her a good death. With all this stuff she has wrong, wish her a peaceful, swift, and painless death. Wish her to be out of pain and despair. Wish that she find peace, clarity, and happiness in the next life.
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Thank you. Wishing her a peaceful, swift and painless death is a beautiful gesture in an otherwise resentful, angry existence. Hold that thought.
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Of course not! I certainly hope I am able to die before I get unable to care for my own self! Make a plan!
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mypoormom2021 Aug 2021
You are so right. I wouldn't want my daughter to have to care for me as I do now for my mom. I, too would rather die first and save everyone the stress!
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Along with several others, I too feel the same way at times. My mom can hardly walk and she can do very little for herself. She never says thank you, nothing nice. I tell myself that she resents having to be dependent on anyone. I try not to say you already said that or when she doesn’t remember places, remind her we were there 100 times. It just makes her angrier. Every morning it’s the same thing…She didn’t sleep, she went to the bathroom every half hour, she was cold. I just act sympathetic and remind her we keep the house at 80 already. Mom want to go to doctor after doctor to help her but there is nothing anyone can do, she’s 96!
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I think this is an absolutely normal thought to have, even if the loved one you’re looking after isn’t a horrible person. It can just be so tiring and stressful; causing burnout and even feelings if resentment.
I am an only child and moved in with my 89 year old mother 4 years ago after my father died. I was able to do this as I was divorced and living single. It was alright for a while but the last year or two she is becoming increasingly fragile, forgetful, neurotic, angry and with a kind of hostility that was not evident in her nature before. Plus she repeats the same 4 stories and opinions and cliches all the time and gets mad at me when I get impatient. I’m just so BORED with her and of course feel horribly selfish and guilty because I am impatient, bored, burnt out and frustrated with her. I love my mother but I admit I don’t like her all that much (she has a gossipy nature and is stubborn as hell). She’s really not the worst at all and I know she appreciates all that I do but she doesn’t respect many of my boundaries and doesn’t seem to care about what I go through. I feel that is selfish, even though she comes across as super unselfish to other people.
It feels that I don’t have a life of my own anymore. I do it ALL in our household, but of course I don’t resent her for that - just more her attitude and general personality. I feel like a real b**** daughter and feel very guilty about it and super guilty that I want an end to it soon. She misses my dad, she’s tired and becoming more depressed so I think she’d enjoy the afterlife much more!
I think it’s very normal to have these feelings but I feel guilty anyway…
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vaquestions Aug 2021
me too, My Mom is 92 has lived with me for 5 years. No family help. Covid 19 virus interfering with getting help and getting out. I pray God's forgiveness for all of us for how we feel having to do this job for our family members. It definitely has made me feel so negative. God Bless you and everyone that has to do this job, ❤️
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My dad is a sweetheart but has zero quality of life and can no longer converse with me or make sense of his world as his dementia progressed very very quickly. Unfortunately his health seems stable. I'm hoping for EVERYONE's sake that his life passes soon. But he could live on like this for years. It's not so much the bother to me because I just go for quick visits and he barely even tries to talk to me. but it's just very sad to see him like this. He does still recognize me but it's hardly rewarding to him or me. I know he isn't happy at the memory care although they take excellent care of him. It might not be right to feel these feelings but I think it's certainly normal and understandable.
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Impossible Oct 2021
It is very normal. Dementia is horrible, for the patient and their family. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. Mom has early stage dementia and I hope she passes before it gets really bad. I know she is frustrated with her mental decline and I hate not being able to help her. God help us all to carry on for as long as it takes!
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I'm just writing here because there is no one else I could say this to, but I know that people on this site know. The anticipatory grief and relief of my husband passing just keeps going around in my mind. I find it uncomfortable, but sometimes pleasant. Pleasant as it relates to him no longer suffering, things not getting worse, being able to go back to church, to work, do something with a friend, my kids, my grand-daughter; decluttering the house as he is a saver of things and I am a get rid-er of things; the end of the caring duties. But the weird thought, the sad thought, of never being able to talk to him again, that this is how the marriage went for most of our years, all part of all these musings. I know we can't know when it will happen. Probably best that way. But he seems as though he is declining so much, I wonder how long he will continue on. I know it is in both of our best interests for me to "be here now". I really don't want to think too often of these things about him leaving. But I do.
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Impossible Oct 2021
Don't feel guilty or stress about your thoughts of his leaving. It is perfectly normal to want an end for his suffering and to reclaim your own life. My husband died 6 years ago and I pray to him often. When I do this I always dream about him afterwards. I believe he hears my prayers and that we will be reunited again when I pass. Hang in there and be good to yourself. You deserve it.
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My narcissist “mutha”, smoked herself into COPD, exposed me to it purposely (she’d drag me in the bathroom when I was 4, and make me sit there while she smoked and pooped. I had awful sinus infections growing up and she beat me for needing to go to the doctor.
No DCF in those days.
I was the youngest of the three.
They called me “Cinderella,” and made me clean starting at 8.
She I made me POA then Conservator.
She wanted me to see, she was leaving me 0.
I watched her take her last breath.
It was very healing ❤️‍🩹
Lawyers had me keep a journal of my hours and they told me to pay myself $50.00/hr, because she was so difficult and rotten to the core.
She tortured me until I turned 13, and could fight back.
I felt the same way and I don’t feel I’m evil.
#NarcissistSurvivor twice - we attract it apparently 🤷🏼‍♀️
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Sending hugs I’m glad you are free of her now x
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No it is not wrong. Feelings are just feelings. We don’t act on them. This caregiving is not easy. Compassion and prayers coming your way......
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Wow! You are really going through some tough times. I think it's perfectly natural to have your feelings, I had them too even with great support from my sister and BIL. I'm not qualified to give you any advice, other than don't beat yourself up for your feelings. This is a great place to vent and get support. I hope you find peace with yourself soon.
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stop beating yourself up. you are doing all you can and you are a blessing to her. your feelings are your feelings people sometimes reap what they sow.
I too am praying for a peaceful speedy transition for my mom who sounds like yours. your feeling are valid. I too experience guilt where she is concerned..
keep the faith God hears you.
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You are so right to say stop beating yourself up. I know that I am doing my best for my elderly mom. I also know that her dementia will get worse and there's nothing I can do about it. It sucks but that's the reality. When she's having a bad day I just hope tomorrow will be a better day and I keep going. No one said growing old is easy! I count my blessings and try to stay positive.
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O dear God thank you for this. Your story has me in tears. I also believe I have a narcissistic mother.. but she can be very loving. I have a lot of resentment towards my mother but also guilt but she has put that there. I’ve also said those words of death about mine. Mine is not in the severe decline as your mother but she is needy needy needy. I’ve been beating myself up for my thoughts. It’s such a relief to hear from others…I’m not the only one please hang in there!
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