New to parenting a parent that refuses to admit anything is wrong. Any advice?

Kamduska, I was extremely Happy that you didn't let anyone or anyone's opinion stop you from getting your mom help! Especially Pamste whatever her name is, she was nice to you, I wrote a post and all she had to tell me is " I was bi-polar needed to take my meds and that I had to fix my dysfunction before I could help my family's" I know exactly how you feel and I too have and will not stop at nothing to help my mom! My siblings and father wont even talk to me anymore! I was going to call social services on my sister and father luckily I didn't have to because my sister got scared by my threat and took my mom to the er so I told the er dr what was happening and he got the social worker involved. I go visit her every weekend and it usually ends up with my sister or father kicking me out of the house but I still get a chance to hug and kiss her and for her to know Ill always be there for her no matter how many times I get kicked to the curb! Im going to suggest you go visit your mom more, she might look at you with dislike but she'll get over it, and deep down she knows why she's there but if you don't go she'll start to believe that you did just leave her. As for your depression it might also stem from the guilt you feel for not seeing her! You're all she has, like you said before "she gave birth to you,picked you up when you fell watched over you ect.. Don't give up on her or YOURSELF now! You both still need each other! Her fight and yours is still there, its hell I know but just think of the hell your guilt will be when shes not with you anymore, even though YOU have done everything to help her! involve your kids take them to see the Grandma they knew before she came to live with you, show them that this is why you don't give up on family! They'll see for themselves how much better she is cause of you and maybe just maybe your husband will see WHY you did what you did! And NEVER apologize to anyone for doing what you did! Proud of you and hoping you get better for yourself and family! hugs

Is your mom with it enough for you to say: Mom, in order for me to assist you with whatever you need, you have to see a dr so I know how what you need help with. If you arent willing to do that, I'm sorry, but the authorities will likely commit you to a facility and at that point there will be nothing I can do to help you. That's basically what I had tip do worth my dad; he got arrested because of a huge misunderstanding. I arranged for his bail and told him that if he didn't cooperate and go to whatever appts then he was on his own when he had to go to court. It was a HUGE reality check for him. Thankfully, getting him on meds, getting glasses and hearing aids has helped tremendously and he is not so.... (not sure of the right word) but much easier to deal with and help take care of. Good luck - I know this must be very frustrating and stressful for you.

Please, please, please have your mother tested for a Urinary Tract Infection (UTI). There are more seniors in institutions for no reason. UTI's give a senior alzheimer's symptoms and will give them hallucinations. My dad does have symptoms of dementia, but not as bad as we at first thought. He had severe UTI for several months. We now have it and him under control. All are a bit happier.

Well it's been quite some time since I've updated here. So here it goes.

On July 3, 2014 as I previously wrote my mom has been in the state hospitals Gero psych unit. I have visited her exactly once. As it is an hour and a half north of me. That was my choice. Do I regret it and feel guilty for not visiting her more often. Every second of every day I feel more guilt than words can express. Why would I not go more often, well, to sum it up, I gave up on trying to help her. I left it to those who are supposed to know how to help her. I stepped back from everything. Well, let me be honest, I fell straight into a black hole of depression so deep that I almost didn't see the light of day again.

Not sure if I already said this before but up until months ago I had no clue what depression actually was. Until I was fully emersed in it myself. And to be honest, nobody can say they do until they, themselves have actually felt and been thrown into the dark depths of depression.

You have no idea what being depressed feels like and cannot begin to imagine how utterly and completely the feeling of being alone can do to someone.

I can tell you this. The one thing that everyone in my life misunderstood about what it means to support someone through a time so confusing and so completely foreign to them is being there. The one simple act of just knowing that someone is there to listen on the other end of a phone your afraid to pickup is the one thing that I didn't have from any of my long time friends or my family, save one friend that has been my friend since 3rd grade and surprisingly my dad who in doing his best to keep in touch on a very regular basis, is something he doesn't do and for him to hear in my voice how badly I needed him is monumental. I will finish this in a bit, my son has requested I show how I don't throw like a girl. ;-)

Kamdushka - I am in a very similar situation as I have a father who has become cognitively impaired. It all started in Dec 2013 when over night he became confused, delusional and suffered hallucinations. After a long hospitalization (2months) he returned to his home. The doctors think we are looking at a Parkinson's Dementia without tremor or a dementia brought on by an Auto Immune Encephalitis. My father has very poor insight in to his illness and is incredibly stubborn, trusts no one. I took paid family leave initially to take care of him then had to quit my job as he was Head of Household for my mom who has mild dementia and my sister who is developmentally delayed. It has been an incredibly difficult time for all of us . I am a single mom and struggle as there are little to no resources for people that suffer from cognitive impairment such as dementia/Alzheimers. I'd like to know how things are going with you, your family and in your mom. I completely empathize with you. You are a GREAT daughter for stepping up and trying to do what is morally right for your family. Would love to hear from you.

Kamdushka I don't know what to say. Here is a virtual back rub, if that helps any.

Is it possible your husband was letting off steam? Give him a chance to calm down and think about what he said - could be there'll be words he'd rather take back. I really hope so.

By the way, *none* of your mother's ills are your fault. Thought I'd just put that on record in case it isn't completely obvious.

Big hug. Feel better. This too will pass.

Well, if life could be any more confusing and unbearably terrifying I don't know if I can get through this. My husband has become a monster and I am to blame for everything. Since my mom lost her marbles and through two states and too many facilities it has come full circle right back to the beginning. The state hospitals Gero psych unit doesn't have the time she needs in order to recover and they are workjng on putting her in some kind of adult foster care place by me. Which is ironically one of the many I called when this all started to try and place her somewhere. The social worker this time is not an idiot and is one of the only two I have dealt with from the start that isn't hell bent on doing nothing or is to stupid to know better.

My soul is bruised and battered and my heart hurts every time I think of her in a place that I know all to well she hates and is herself reeling pissed off at me and the world.

My husband has made himself believe that I deliberatley moved her in and somehow waved a wand to make every place not help her or keep her. Even though he has heard it from them himself, it is not his truth. I've been so depressed that I can't find any way out of my own black hole and I did get out once only to be kicked right back down into a bog of despair that now I have to endure alone.
He is positive they since the social worker is dealing with it and they have a lot more records on my mom that there's no doubt the place will take her and keep her. Initially he said we just needed to get a bigger place and get me a job and be stable enough to have her with us. That has since been revoked and he now just wants to be happy and not have to deal with my emotional outbursts. He says I need to snap out of my depression and stop neglecting my family. I have changed to the point he doesn't like me and he thinks somehow that this happening wouldn't change anything. The feeling of regret for not being strong enough to help my mom, the guilt I have for not paying attention in the beginning when I could have done something before all this started is overwhelming. And the thought of losing my husband over this is so unbievably confusing that I cannot even think straight.

At one point I think that if he can't hang on and support his wife through such a bad situation no matter what and continue to go so far as saying it's all my fault I don't have anyone to call or talk to and if I want to off myself then that's my fault to?! You just don't say thjngs like that to someone who U promised to love no matter what thru good and bad, especially when that person is so depressed that it's almost time for my padded room. Now he has decided he hates where we live, he hates his life and wants to move back 'home'. He is perplexed as to why I wouldn't want to move. For one, my mom is here now and it's because I brought her here, for two our kids are at an age where a move could really affect them, for three I never liked where we lived before. This whole situation is so screwed up I am unable to find a solution that doesn't require a lot of money really quick to buy a house w/a mther in law apt and acreage do my mom can recover if it's not to late. I am broken and without support.

Good to hear from you, K. I think, hope, it's a good sign that you felt like posting?!

Having a plan is great. Even if it doesn't go as expected, at least it gives you some idea of where you are - much better than feeling lost and not knowing which way to turn.

So where is your mother staying for now? It sounds as if you're able to keep close tabs on how she's doing. Not seeing her must have been hard, but you needed that cordon sanitaire, you know - otherwise the working, the planning, the orientation all go to pot. Keep in touch, hugs to you x

It has been a long time since i have been here.

I would like to thank everyone who shared their stories and offered kind words. It truly helps. Now for her story. Since my last post things went ok. The mri was insignificant and only showed even more she doesn’t have alzheimers.

From the beginning of june until beginning of july she progressively began to improve even more. Surprise puppies that were sold made her dive deep into herself and she packed some stuff and for the first time in weeks she sat in front of the store from early morning until after midnight. refusing to even look at me.

I had began to be numb in order to handle his spiratic fits of angry word bashing. So I called the local police dispatch line and asked for their assistance. The sergeant and one office came in separate vehicles. They asked if I would take her home and i told them NO. The officer asked her if she would come home with me and for the first time she said yes. Further explanation to the officers and I watched my mom get into the back of the cop car on july 3 and thats the last time i will. The crying didnt stop tip the next day. From here to the hospital eugene where she had been twice prior so they knew her. I only saw her for a sec as she glared at me and looked me straight in the eyes with so much sadness and anger and confusion on her face she told me to leave. That was 2 months ago. I haven’t seen or heard her voice because I became comfortably numb. I might have cried to myself many times and a few unexpected times.

Not good to stuff that much.My sadness was to much for him again and it started all over again. Not a hint of light anywhere in my dark hole of sorrow. I desperately tried any kind of meditation, reiki and self help books i guess there called. Rhonda Byrne is the author of The Secret books. Helped so much i pulled myself out of my hole alone and handled life for a while. and as grief is one wave was just to much and knocked me down enough for him to see and lose all hope i was not having a good day and that was his que to start in with his version of my feelings.

All I have to say about this whole roller coaster from h*ll ride of my life is:

Never underestimate the power of your mind. I do not see my moms situation as one that is weird or strange. I look at it like, my mom is such a strong person that she has created her own world in order to survive such a huge blow to her soul that without strength she would not have made it to morning. I can say without a doubt that because i listened to my gut and knew my mom so well and i was sure once she started to be around normalcy and familiar people and stuff she could slowly get out of her own head. I witnessed it.

Never take anything or anyone for granted in your life. In a blink of an eye what you thought would always be there could vanish without warning.

Ive lived a nightmare that hasn’t ended. She has been in 3 of the best hospitals in oregon in the last 2 months. the state hospital gave her meds for over a month and finally conceded they weren’t helping and since she’s not improving with that one way the dr said they don’t think she’s fixable. I asked about alternative methods therapy and the dr said they don’t have the time for that.

The dr was apologetic and understanding. today isn’t the day for drs to actually practice medicine without racing against the clock.

Who’s the victim in the end. The woman who gave me life has had her own life dismissed on paper and filed away with the rest of the ones nobody can take the time needed for their recovery.

Im working again and have a straight line to my goal to move into a place with more land and a mother in law type small space for her. Unless I win the lottery moving isn’t going to happen warp speed but it will happen rather quickly. All i need to think about is the end result.

Took 2 days to myself, little guilt. But much needed. And So far so good. Sat she did good and Sun, though, the nurse said she's really delusional, same scenarios I assured her, my mom behaved. ;-) Interesting thing though, the nurse also said my mom takes her meds sometimes not. I'm gong to see if whoever gives out the rx if they could write time of day. They got to write stuff down anyways for her chart. My mom, I think, is testing her head and the meds. Just a theory. Knowing how she hates not being in or able to control herself. Since she's more relaxed at this one she's really starting to try. Slowly but she's doing it. Also the dr called and asked if I was ok with an MRI on my mom?!?!?
WOW! And from a dr dr. Well if all the stuff I read and talked to about was written using one hospital as an example it would be this one. Except the er desk people. Nasty ninnys.

Yes she's getting excellent care, but, tues is the last day of the dr hold. They've already been checking in to see what I was considering etc. Especially now since she doesn't have Alzheimer's dementia. So no nursing home she won't qualify.
It's not that I think all places are horrible, not at all. In fact I had called many homes figuring out the steps. Out of maybe 15-20 in the 2 hr radius that spec in Alzheimer's etc. 1 of the contact people with all the info. That was right down a 1/2 block from my job at the time. Perfect. I still haven't met her face to face. She has kept in regular contact since the beginning and has been instrumental in just plain being there. It's very appreciated. As it has here.
The that my mom has always said she never wants to be put in a home. I've heard her say that since I was little. And after seeing her just in a hospital I can see why. She hates being controlled and told what to do when and she hates not being able to get up and walk out. She's always been that way, the worst patient in a normal frame of mind. I was just trying to do what's best and what she'd want.
Got both accomplished but came out scarred. Well worth it.
And as for him, well, not over yet. There's only a few simple things a guy considers, its not a truce but, a partial peace offering.
Now to see what the MRI said and the neuro psych eval my mom did fri. Yes she did ;-).

I think the Bible's quite good on leprosy, isn't it? It certainly quite loquacious about it, anyway, as far as I remember.

Blimey, people, SDO only ***asked***! If you don't find a response particularly helpful, you're free to ignore it, after all?

Never mind all that. Kamdushka, this must be unbearably painful for you - how could anyone make that kind of choice? The thing to hang onto is this: you are happy - aren't you? - with the immediate care your mother's receiving at last. You're more confident that the people looking after her are interested in getting a true picture of what's going on, and coming up with some constructive proposals for her ongoing care?

So, if it's a yes to those, you've got at least a few days before you even could make any decisions about what happens next. But look at these two things together:

You say: "I cannot say that she can't come home with me. If the alternative is somewhere she will regress and never recover."

Your husband comes up with: " him assuming the worst and starting in with the hateful yelling names at me.

You are both of you predicting disaster. Don't.

Now I know you - quite rightly - were asking him for help. So, I guess, he first of all demanded your solemn promise that you wouldn't bring your mother back to your home? Which you can't give, because you don't know what the alternatives will be.

Well of course you can't. But on the other hand, you did seem to be assuming that the alternatives will necessarily be as dreadful as some of the (wildly inappropriate) options that your mother's experienced before. And I don't think you should assume that. This hospital has already taken a radically different approach, hasn't it?

Just for the next few days, go and see your mother as often as you want to. Then, when you're home, try to get your husband to agree to a no-talk zone until there is word from the hospital. You can't make any decisions or even explore any options until then anyway, so take this chance to have a break and call a truce.

Oh. And money wouldn't fix your poor mother's head, or your heart. Big hug. You're doing brilliantly.

Kamdushka, I wish I could offer some consoling words. You're really in a tough situation right now, especially given your husband's unsupportive attitude. Hang in there!

Thank you gardenartist. I have a really short tolerance level for that kind of stuff. And I do not judge people based on their beliefs or otherwise. It's not my place to say what u should think or feel. Now if u shove it down my throat and try and force me to see ur way then well I've already given an example how I deal with that. Especially here. Where as I'm sure others are, I am really sensitive and at the end of my rope. Vulnerable to any hate filled thoughts. And sadly now am being forced to choose between my mom and my husband who has totally shut me out and refuses to even hear anything from me about my mom. He did make a counseling appt for himself in a couple days. But I can't bear to think of life without him or having to make such a choice. Especially now. When finally the worst part is over and there's better days ahead. My mom is slowly recovering and early next week we will have a diagnosis and a plan. I cannot say that she can't come home with me. If the alternative is somewhere she will regress and never recover. Even now when she's at the hospital and only sees me once a day it's hard on her. Unfamiliarity is what has kept her stuck. Today I didn't go see her. I should have but wanted a day home. Which ended with me asking him to help me find a solution and him assuming the worst and starting in with the hateful yelling names at me. Shoulda gone. I did try and call but my mom wouldn't talk and has deemed me dead with a brain tumor. Expected. It's sad to know if I was rich this would be easy. But I have to believe that as long as I'm doing what I'm doing for her then everything will eventually fall into place and little by little it already has started to. One day at a time.

Kamduska, congratulations for putting ShakingDust in her place for preaching on this forum. She goes off on religious tangents as well as whining tangents, although at times she actually does post insightful answers. But her ranting and raving about demons and trying to shove religious theory down others' throats is totally inappropriate.

Kudos to you!

Well said sandwich42!

I am thankful that I live in an era with scientific information, not in the pre-science Bronze Age where everything people didn't understand was marked up to invisible demons, be it depression, schizophrenia, brain disease, birth defect, or even common gynecological problems.

I say this as a Southern Baptist who has had theological training every single day kindergarten through high school and Honors Theology at university, plus church three times a week. The Bible is a lot of things and sacred to many people, but it's not a medical reference.

And Chicago: I do not have any reason to apologize to anyone for anything. And if all it takes for them to abandon me is trying to help my mom or help whoever that can't help themselves when every fibre of my being says I'm doing the right thing. Then they weren't friends and not family in the first place and I don't want them in my life.

Chicago: let me ask u this- is that what u would want done to u? Just be dropped off and forgotten? I will not apologize to anyone for doing what should be easy for a child. And I'm sorry if u don't have anyone that would. But family especially will not get an apology. That is not family. And u really do need to read the whole story before u comment. If u had u would know that, YES, I did help her. How do u think she was able to get to the point of finally getting help? If I just left her like u so easily say I should then I would have only condemned her to forever be lost in her head and die a sad lonely death. I do not have the ability to be so cold hearted and abandon the person who gave me life. Who raised me selflessly and didn't abandon me. If she had been a horrible parent who abused me and purposefully tried to make miserable this would be a very different response. I honestly don't think u would want to be left in an er and abandoned either just because it would hinder someone's life. Nobody deserves that.

SDO: what would it matter if I did or didn't go to church? Or even if I'm religious or not? Would it make a difference either way? Is this religious belief, church going question a real one? Are u basing any advice u would give me if u had it on the premise that I am religious and go to church?
What if I don't go to church or believe in anything except myself? Will u not offer me advice?
If you think that u have such a hugely superior right to come onto this forum and ask such obviously judge mental, closed minded questions that have no place in this particular discussion with the intention of using the answers to withhold advice back, because u have given urself permission to interpret this 'bible' so u can be the judge in who is worthy of hearing ur advice, well, i don't need to really say anything. U are already on ur way creating ur own world of eternal judgment.
If u think using religion as a tool to try and criticize or judge me or my situation is in anyway what 'god' intended, u should be ashamed of urself. If I thought it was ur business to know
If I am religious or go to church or not, well, I would say: if I was to believe in organized religion, go to church and need to believe there is a god so I can then not feel alone and have the power to get thru this I certainly wouldn't believe any god would condone u passing judgements on people. And I wouldn't want to believe in a go that would encourage his followers to be judge mental and criticize those that don't need to be a part of organized religion to feel whole. So for u I ask such a question using such a controversial subject is sad.

What if I said yes I do go to church, would that then make u feel as if u had a connection with me and u could then seem me worthy of ur advice? What if I said I didn't go to church? Would that then compel u to try and save me from myself? Or would it give u a feeling of superiority and u then make it ur mission to say I'm not worthy of ur advice or help? What if I said I worship a rock, on thurs between 12-2 by a river and that I have had spiritual enlightenment and the rock has given me the strength i needed to handle my situation better? Would u think ur opinions on how a rock isn't somethjng to be worshipped and cannot help me and is ur duty to point out and criticize me for not believing the way u do?
What would u say if my religious beliefs are that if I did believe in a god, that that god gave me and every living thing all the tools We need to get thru life's challenges without needing to be in a structure first in order to be worthy of his guidance?
Do u honestly think that if i go to church and have religious beliefs i could handle my life any better and have a solution sooner? Are u even a caregiver? Will I miraculously have what I need handed to me of I do go to church?

What I do believe is that if there is a god or higher power that did in fact create us and earth and life then I surely would hope he would have given us the necessary tools within ourselves and already have the answers to all out questions in our heads and all the cures for all the ailments in our earth. Why would he create us just to rely only on him?

Basically- I believe in myself. My beliefs are in each and every living thing being complex piece of a bigger picture with purpose and infinite power. My church is earth and my faith is in myself. I worship my own creations - my children. And with them the future has a little more chance of becoming better for everyone. Not that I need to explain myself to u. But unlike u, I am comfortable enough to not get offended by ur need to know if I'm worthy.

Now back to the subject at hand. Sorry for the rant and if I offended anyone. But some people don't mind forcing their opinions on people. Especially here, when it wasn't asked for or relevant.

Chicago.... maybe you should have read a few posts back..... she has followed her gut, got her mom the help she needs.... and will not be placing her anywhere.....

You have learned the hard way, that you can't help her. Also, your friends can't help you and your family wants no part of it.

I am 60, so I feel sorry for your mother and her predicament. Is she drawing Soc. Sec.? I would take her to the ER and then, tell them that she cannot live alone or with you. It sounds harsh, but you have to be a too and protect your kids.

After she is placed in a psych ward, again, you need to apologize to your family for bringing her into your home. You did the best that you could and that is all that you can do.

If another hospital tries to release her, tell them that she has no place to live.

Kamdushka, good for you for following your instincts and persevering. Your mom really needed an advocate and it was you.

I see SDO is in one of her preachy moods again, but demons? Please - what nonsense.

Kamdushka, hang in there; you'll make it to a better point when Mom's more settled and getting the treatment she needs.

Not to say there won't be ups and downs and curveballs. But atleast now I have some idea how to handle it

Well hello everyone! So after having to take my mom alone to the hospital that is the best in the state next to one that's in Portland area and again feeling as if I just betrayed her the last time and she will never forgive me. Coming home not so safely hysterical 20min drive blinded by tears with another 30min in the driveway whaling. 'He' comes out and has the concerned look I've been begging for for weeks on his face and well still not able to consider any part of his being anything but the worst person to walk the earth. I acknowledge him with a very evil 'leave me the f**** alone!'. Another hr or two on the couch after I panicked in the driveway and thought I was still in the hospital parking lot! He still tried to ask where she was, what happened etc. Not gonna give even a little. His Persistence was to annoying, had to give him some info or he wouldn't shut up and disappear. Didn't sleep much but should have. Woke up crying. Thinking omg I've just literally thrown my mom back to the wolves to be lost forever.

Well, first that night I talked to the social worker that actually listened, asked me questions, and was genuinely concerned for my mom, not his ego ad who was to say the least was fantastic. And the dr was beyond good. He said the words I have been waiting for, reading about and told by other drs I've called should happen. 'I think we should put her up on the ace unit and make sure there's nothing medical going on first' I almost fainted.

Ok ok I can't stand it. Not only did the er doc do what he said he would, despite the hospitalist being doubtful. in less than the time it took me to drive home she was taken to a comfortable in a huge room, on a floor for Geri medical PTs. that was the first hospital ward that didn't make u feel like u were in a sterile looking meat locker. My mom is finally finally finally in the right place!

Oh it gets better-
In less than 48 hrs this hospital not only made me comfortable, that was immediate just stepping onto the floor. My mom was to. So here it goes- in less than 48hrs this hospitals staff has determined that there is no way that my mom has Alzheimer's let alone dementia!!! In fact the hospital social worker I talked to for over 30mins, who was fantastic as well, called it in talking to my mom in 5 mins. I already knew that but doubting myself and not wanting to make these people shut me out to, I zipped it. So yeah to say the least, my drive home was pretty much an out of body experience. To back up a little, the power of attorney I found from 2012 was honored so that made it much easier. Eventhough, if anyone isn't aware, there's statutes states have that say when a patient doesn't have a poa or other paper giving power the spouse, adult child and so on has the right to advocate for their relative. In wa is a surrogate decision maker, here in Oregon it's similar. I don't know if every state has it but it's worth finding out. But as I've found out in wa, nobody that should know about the statute including lawyers have any clue it exists. And it is almost impossible to get them to honor ur rights.

So from the minute my mom got to the floor she finally started receiving the help she so desperately needed. And get this, she knew it. When I came to see her the next day and the first day in her room it was like night and day compared to every other hospital stay that I could hear her misery on the phone. I was here and she was in wa at the time when this all started.

The look in her eyes was disappearing. It's a look of anger, sadness, frustration, and well to be honest a lot creepy psycho movie like. So finally feeling like, after all this complete hell she's gone through for so long and never receiving the respect and proper care from the 'professionals' she deserved and needed so badly. Finally she's going to be taken care of. That first day she talked to a psychologist for a long time before I got there. And, as I knew it would help to talk, I was blown away by how much more it did than anyone would think. That first visit was amazing. she could feel my relief. And to further help I wrote her a note in the er telling her the hospital name and city. As well as pleading with her to give them a chance because they are supposed to be the best in the area she needs. And through the whole visit she did most of the talking, well more like asking me questions that pertained to her but she was acting like it was about me. Does that make sense? My mom is starting to filter through her mind and trying to come to terms with the situation and why she should be there. She did add a confabulation that I to was admitted and was having scans and issues. I went along with it to keep her asking and talking. That went on pretty much the whole time. And I in turn used what she was asking me as a way to get her to think about her own issues. Without her catching on. To quickly. And then she would clam up. Psychology is fascinating. I think I was there like 5-6 hrs till she asked me to go so she could rest.
So the first day after this seemingly endless nightmare she has almost accepted being there because she knows just by interacting with the staff. I wrote her another note telling her that this hospital is going to help her feel better , please cooperate because if she didn't it would end up like all the others.
I gave her my acceptance and trust of them and she is finally cooperating. They've done, I believe as of today almost everything necessary to diagnose her and take the wrong one off. And the meds she's taking are helping. Today she looked so much better. Than ever. And she is more comfortable because of it. She's more herself to. Just all around she's soooo much better. And since the zyprexa is working I'm hopeful her over reactive body won't flip it and render it useless and cause nasty side effects.
I also talked to the psychiatrist and she wanted to know info history etc and if I thought it was possibly mild dementia or depression etc.
Wow the first willing psychiatrist that wasn't a complete disrespectful jerk.
So yeah finally after so much unbearable, unimaginably rude professionals with a god complex hell bent on doing everything possible to not include family and stroke their fragile existence my mom is being taken care of. And the best part- She's gonna get better!!!!! Not saying there won't be more curve balls and tears but for now the final words that will complete this new circle of hope - a final, thorough DIAGNOSIS!?&! That by the way I believe will be determined by the neuro psych eval she did today along with all the other tests she did. Yes I said 'she did'. Not meaning to leave this out - she's still hearing voices, one so far, and having a little paranoia, and delusions. But mild. And I could tell whatever the psychologist is doing is working. The first day she said before I left 'ill just sit here and feel sorry for myself' words of acknowledgment of feelings she's stuffed for to long.
And the feeling of confidence that I haven't felt in years was amazing enough to say 'I KNOW MY MOM AND I WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG!' And I can proudly say it was because I followed my gut feeling that hadn't stopped the whole time. The feeling so strong that it wouldn't be ignored. 'My moms not in the right place and these people aren't treating her right, I've gotta get her out of here before they hurt her' and so on.
If I had ignored it and listened to people that were thinking only of the inconvenience and told me to put her in a home, loony bin etc she would not have gotten better, or believed me. They can all suck it!! Shame on them for purposefully shutting me out. Wooooohooooo

Kamdushka, I'd give anything to be able to be standing next to you while all this crap is going on.

It's going to be ok. You have done NOTHING wrong. It is vital to find out what exactly is going on with your mother, and that is what you have got under way. You are RIGHT to have done that. Honestly, it'll get better for her from here.

As for your husband, please, as far as you can, just mentally take time out. He's broken down under the strain: it's not admirable, but it's understandable and it could get healed if nobody says anything they can't ever take back. Just for now, try to let him be.

Keep in close touch with the hospital and don't be afraid to ask questions - write down the answers, including names and contact details, because you won't remember what's been said.

I know guilt isn't voluntary but I PROMISE you you have no grounds for guilt. You are doing the right thing. Thinking of you, best of luck x

Well sh** has hit the biggest fan in the world. So eventhough my mom still refused to go to a dr. She's gotten a little better every day. Still was worried about the medical symptoms she was having. The longer she stayed with us the more she started to wake up as I call it. Talking less to her people, not 'taking off' to hurry up and wait for her 'husband' shed actually ask me for a ride to 'see' if they were there or usually try and find them broke down on some street. She remembers what she wants to. Her 'wandering' became long walks trying to find her people who gave her really bad directions lol (aka her own self giving the directions), sitting and watching a whole movie without getting up a hundred times. As I am paying attention always it became obvious that Alzheimer's symptoms were not there. Opposite in fact. Like she's relearning how to live normally, if that makes sense. My impatience has triggered the manic, or paranoid or voices to start. But sadly the most damaging thing that was mostly the trigger, my husband and I fighting. Not physically. Although I felt like I could have decked him, but I didn't. He has become dr jekyl and mr Hyde. Now all the time to the point he has given me an ultimatum, well it came almost a week ago. The money coming from his job that is paying rent etc and my moms ss that only can pay her bills and part of utilities and some food, and the pathetic foodstamps has done it. He has had enough. No money has stressed him out of caring. Since the plan was to get her diagnosed and find a place for her backfired thanks to a system and the last hospitals social worker that I'm positive is devoid of brain matter we couldn't place her. And no resources to help financially or otherwise. He has determined me the enemy and intended for her to live with us. His Knowing every detail doesn't matter. 'Without the means I can't be a caregiver and I can't help her, I'm not a dr so stop acting like I am'. He said I am being selfish to think I could and ruin the family like this. He doesn't want her here. It's her and I get a job and then and only then will he love me again. Conditions. Ultimatums. If I thought I was stressed out before, well, I was wrong. In the last week fightjng every day or getting the silent treatment from him so I end up balling my eyes out with nobody to comfort me. He thinks crying is useless and won't comfort. The fighting sets my mom into her world and I get frustrated. Vicious circle. He said I'm selfish for keeping her in a room and thinking I'm caring. My mom stays in her room and leaves it when she wants he knows that. Ultimatum hardened his heart. The fighting was nonstop for the last few days, not a nice word was said. Never physical for those who like to jump to conclusions. Moms still progressing thru with even fewer spells of psychosis. After the blow out day before yesterday when his talk was only him verbally stabbing me, she ended up sleeping a lot. Didn't wake up till 4 yesterday. Yes she did briefly get up to eat pee and them back to bed. After each long spell of sleeping she's clearer and minimal spells. After one last attempt by me to repair what I thought I needed to and was rejected I broke. Reached out for anyone. Concensus- she's sick take her to er. From the mouth of the er that knows her. Well that's if shell ride with me and not waiting that day. Asked husband to help me get her help. NOT A CHANCE! Not his problem, I screwed him over I fix 'it' meaning my mom. He isn't goin to help me at all. He knows every single time I've had to get her to the hospital was by police escort. But I wasn't alone, he was there supporting me. Alone was not in my able to deal with bank. I begged more than I should have knowing his decision was made. Then came the separation comments. More verbal attacks. Divorce mentioned when I tried to stand up and point out he can't just 360 and run now that it's easier for him to than dealing with me. Another night of isolation in a house full of people. I made the hardest decision that I promised I wouldn't do to her again. Tried to get a friend to help, good intentions but never follow thru. At this point my mom has had a lot of sleep and was especially normal last night and this morning. Even talking to me about last years events clearly and didn't change any outcomes. I decided to take her to the hospital. Alone. Using her trust it took 2 months to build with a grocery store trip I drove. But this time instead of her getting pissed that I lied and demanding I turn around she sat calmly in the passenger seat. Half way there she made up a story that we were going to get our heads scanned at a hospital. She even wrote a detailed note saying what we needed done. See all this time she only trusted me sparatically. And increasing recently. So she voluntarily went into the er signed the consent papers. Even let them take blood and urine. Which were both normal. 6 hrs later I'm still in the waiting room while she's in the back psych area. After I kept insisting I go back with her on deaf grouchy nurse ears the mental health person came out updated me there's nothing yet he took me back. Then I catch the charge nurse purposefully not asking if I could see my mom. Wow as I knew she would be she was stressed out. Voices taking over. The most heart wrenching part. She looked right at me and said ur taking me with u home right???! Omg I was right, she was slowly but surely healing. with all my will I told her different ways as calm as
I could she's gotta let them figure out why all the symptoms are happening so she can feel better. I was back with her for I think 20mins. With only the thought of 'what have I done, this is wrong, it's going to throw her progress in reverse
And the guilt consumes me.

RockBottom, there could be some help with the foreclosure. Some mechanisms for help were put in place during the Great Recession. There are also agencies that possibly could be of help.

Have you contacted your lender? Depending on whether it's one of the Too Big to Fail Banks or a more approachable one, there might be something you can work out.

If there's a Lighthouse in your area, contact them. Also contact your elected representatives; some of them jumped on the foreclosure bandwagon and may have some suggestions for contacts that could help you.

Good luck - sounds like your family is really in a hard place right now.

I am going through a very similar situation. My mother was sent to me after being hospitalized when someone called EMTs for her because she was lying in a ditch near a mall. I am her only family member. They said she just needed "a little help". The social worker said apparently she was evicted from her apt and was homeless for 3 months. So even though my family (husband and 2 teenagers) were struggling we agreed to let her come here so I could find a place for her to live. When she came she had nothing but the clothes on her back not even id. It has been 2 years and she still refuses everything. She doesn't believe anything is wrong and I can't get her to go to the drs or anywhere else. Since she came, I have spent countless hours being referred from place to another. My husband had a stroke a couple months ago and now house is in foreclosure. Since none of us can work, we will now ALL end up in the ditch .My mother also hears the voices and she is paranoid (has been for as long as I can remember). She talks to lizards and screams at the "people in her room".

I understand, you were trying to do the right thing. The advice that I usually end up with is for dealing with someone who understands they have problems, like "take them to the doctors". I can't get my mother to go ANYWHERE.

Anyway, although I can't help too much either, but maybe you'll find some comfort in knowing I understand what you are going through. As harsh as it is to say, I've been told that if something comes up that I can take her to the hospital for, they should be able to place her from there. (My mother is 70 and physically healthy). Just as long as I refuse to pick her up. I hope you don't end up in my shoes, and send you many hugs.

Kamdushka, GA's idea sounds worth exploring, don't you think? - your mother's situation is so complex that if she isn't eligible, I can't imagine who would be.

I don't know if this is a consoling thought or not, but looking ahead things are going to start resolving themselves one way or another. You're doing what you can, but given that resources are so limited, and you have so little support, and your mother is so uncooperative… I'm just thinking, if it all does go belly-up on you and gets taken out of your hands, it won't be your fault. You really are doing the best you can in an almost hopeless situation. And then the consoling thought is, that if you're taken out of the picture, and your mother is left without any help at all, the state will have to step in and cope with her. And the ironic thing about that is, they'll probably make a better job of it than they have done so far with you to lean on so heavily.

I know that sounds pessimistic; I'm just saying that there is a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel, maybe? Do please mind out for your own interests, meanwhile, as far as you can - your future is just as important.

Kamdushka, have you explored legal aide help?