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My parents have had a DPOA/HPOA since 2023 with requirements for 2 physicians declaring incapacity for them to be active. My dad has dementia and I’ve just recently had his incapacity certificates signed however my mom has signed a letter of authorization enabling me to see to all their affairs as she’s not capable albeit NOT incapacitated mentally. I discuss and make decisions with her and take action on her and my dad’s behalf. Using the DPOA, letter of authorization, and incapacitation certificate, I’ve gone to their bank and submitted them with a request for POA access (not as an owner on their account). The bank continues to come back declining the requests and saying an incapacitation letter for my mom is also needed. She has limited mobility and is in skilled nursing rehab due to a recent fall but is otherwise able to help discuss and make decisions with me for herself but she isn’t mentally incapacitated. What other documentation could possibly be needed to ensure I can get proper access and assist with and manage her finances? Literally every other organization I’ve provided all this documentation has been fine but the bank comes up short. Healthcare, department of licensing all accept the docs but the bank does not. What other information or proof could possibly be needed? Thank you!

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It sounds like you don't have the correct type of POA.

https://www.legalshield.com/blog/estate-planning/4-types-power-attorney/

From your description, it sounds like you have a springing POA.

Since your mother is not incapacitated, how about having her sign a new general and durable POA?
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@tracy and strugglinson:
No, banks aren't a problem with the correct documentation.
It is against the law to IGNORE a correctly drawn general financial POA.
If the bank refused the POA THRERE IS A GOOD REASON THEY DID so.
As you may imagine banks are protecting their client's accounts. Often (sorry here) from their own children who are trying to make off with their funds.

You will need the correct paperwork.
You are POA.

When my brother first got Lewy's (probable early by symptoms) he and I had to do all the paperwork with his attorney. I was so clueless at that point I thought one document worked for POA and Trust. Didn't know I had to be made Trustee. It was a long learning curve for me and I came here almost 5 years ago quite desperate.
As far as banks were concerned I could be a wicked sister swooping in on my brothers substantial accounts and trust. Why would they not protect him? They are sworn by law to do so. We finally got such a good Trustee and POA drawn up that it was iron clad. This takes an attorney.
Your POA pays for EXPERT ADVICE OF AN ATTORNEY.
Get it.
The Attorney will come to a Nursing home, a Hospital, or anywhere else. It will however have to be paid for and the POA pays for it.
The attorney will let you know how best to get the correct documentation and POA drawn up.
This is not going to be inexpensive.

I wish you luck in getting this together. This isn't going to be a DIY project.
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cwillie Dec 24, 2023
Through the years there have been scores of posts from people whose bank HAS ignored their legally drawn up and invoked POA and insisted that only their internal forms would do, even when the law is on your side it's a David and Goliath situation.
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sorry that you are going through this. Banks can be such a pain and sometimes ask for non-sensical things from us. I guess due to cases of elder related fraud, it has become super strict like this.
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I see you answered Alva's question on HDPOA but you didn't take the time to answer other members questions. Like I said, I have never heard of a "letter of authorization#. What are u trying to authorize. As a DPOA I think that means the POAs are immediate so no need for a doctor to invoke. The medical should read like a living will. What changes need to be made or added to.
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HDPOA = Healthcare DPOA
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Just a heads up that I am unclear what an "HDPOA" is.

Unfortunately an attorney now has to attend your mother to get a general POA done by her specifically saying what you need said: that she wishes you to act now as her general POA and to be added to her accounts as such, and that you have also the powers------blah blah blah, whatever powers you want added.

This is easily if expensively done.
When my brother was diagnosed with probable early Lewy's Dementia by symptoms he called in his attorney and this was done. The attorney simply made an examination that this was my brothers wish due to his diagnosis and prognosis, and that he currently was too anxious to manage his affairs and etc. Whatever language is required the attorney will know it.

A POA is only as good as the very specific language in it. That language should make it clear that you are to be added to all bank accounts, and all stock certificates and other things as the POA for both (Dad's name) and (Wife's name).

My brother died of sepsis before he could descend fully into incapacity. Nevertheless, in the year and one half after his diagnosis I did EVERYTHING from accounts, to being made by him also Trustee of his Trust, to all his bills, and etc. This can be done. But you need an attorney and likely one who will visit and examine your Mom for competency to make this important decision.

I always like telling how the attorney told my brother, who was making me POA and Trustee "Are you sure about this woman, because you have given her power over every penny you have. She can now sell the gold out of your teeth if she wishes to". So expect that sort of thing. Your Mom will also be questioned by the attorney out of your presence.
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I have never heard of a letter of authorization. But then my Moms POA was immediate. Not that I took control of her finances but it gave me the ability to help her when she needed it eventually taking over. There was no need for doctor intervention, only with the Medical. I was also on her checking acct so I could pay bills.

When Mom gets out of the Rehab you take her and the incompetent letter of Dads to the bank and have her add you to their accounts. That will give you access to their accts when needed. Then u take her to her lawyer and have her POA changed to immediate and if Dad is her POA, remove him and assign you. You can do nothing with Dads because he is not able to make informed decisions. Before you go to the bank, talk to an officer and ask what Mom needs to make it possible for you to help her. I would set up an appt.
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Note: my mom is in skilled nursing with limited mobility due to a fall—she’s unable to go to a bank and sign any documents they needs. I’m in process of an addendum to the personal letter of authorization stating as much AND securing a note from her doctor backing up the physical limitation. If a call or similar to confirm the authenticity of it is needed, I’d do it but they haven’t even accepted this initial paperwork—this is the second attempt. First attempt they told me I needed the personal letter of authorization from my mom who was POA for my dad and then an incapacitation certificate for me dad to then invoke me as POA. The 2 are intended to work together so I can do things on their behalf. I’m pulling my hair out as I’ve been at this for months.
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AlvaDeer Dec 24, 2023
You need an attorney. Your POA pays for one. An attorney will come to the nursing home, rehab, hospital, wherever you need that attorney to come to. Without the right documents no bank will deal with you. That is to be expected. Banks are there to protect the accounts of their customers, and often need to do just that for the good of their clients.
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Banks are very strict on this and they have their own processes. I had to haul my 98-yr old Aunt with mod/adv dementia and her 101-yr old sister to the bank to go through their process. The used 3 banks and they all had different requirements (one bank accepted their FL state IDs plus the PoA paperwork instead of an inperson appointment).

Can you negotiate a Zoom call with the bank, you and your Mom?
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Perhaps you need mom to get (you might need a lawyer) an immediate durable POA with no requirements for letters of incapacitation.
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Take her to the bank and have her add you to her accounts as you state she is not mentally incapacitated.
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