I’m a sixty year-old daughter of a narcissistic mother who believes it is her children’s job to take care of her in the manner to which she was accustomed. She is still angry with us for selling her house because she thought we should be caring for her there. She has been led to think she is more important than anyone else in the family and my father buckled under her every whim.
She complains constantly despite living in a lovely $5,000/month ASL. Nothing has ever been enough for her; she is attention-seeking and will go to any length to get it.
I was just diagnosed with my second cancer and will start chemo next week. I also have an adult son with severe mental health problems and wonderful grandchildren who I choose to help with. My mother’s complaints include earaches and a sore knee.
I can guarantee that I will not be a burden to my children when/if (god willing) I reach my mother’s age of 86. I will not assume that my children will be responsible for my happiness or that they should be managing my life while I sit and complain about not being able to get my hair colored.
Is this a generational thing? Or is it simply that my mother has never been a very nice person and I resent giving her any amount of energy that I don’t even have for myself?
Based on just the title, I thought the question might be about younger people with slacker attitudes toward caregiving in the future, but any generalizations probably don't fit this topic.
My family was not prepared for old age. No life insurance adequate to take care of final expenses.
My my parents lived in the moment and never worried about the future.
My dad had a good paying job that he was very fortunate to have .
But saving money and preparing for their old age and death was not a priority.
MY mom realized this when it was too late and she had Parkinsons.
My husband and I have life policies so that our children aren’t scratching their heads when we die .
I don’t understand how you can not think of at least that much. It’s s responsible thing to do.
SO we and our kids have learned through this. We are making proactive steps to get our finances in order. We are making our house where we can live in it until we need a NH. We told our kids to just turn the locks to the outside and lock us in if they had too! haha! (that's a joke...sort of). We are also getting all the POA's in line. Wills in line. etc. BUT more importantly, we are fostering a good and loving relationship with our sons & their wives. We are not wealthy by any means, but we hope to have enough to get by comfortably.
I had to help my aunt/uncle to downsize their 4000 sq ft farm house when they finally moved to independent living senior apartments. That experience taught me a LOT about what is important to hang on to and what is not, so DH and I have been downsizing our treasures and continue to do so. We have realized that some of the things we inherited will not have the same emotional connection to our kids, because they never knew the people they came from, so we are prepared to let go of those things.
When it comes down to it, the most important things on earth are not things--they are people. The people we have relationships with. SO we are focusing on making those relationships rich and pleasant.
I sounds like your mother i fortunate enough to have the resources for her ongoing care. You do not need to cater to her selfish complaints and demands. visit her if you wish and tell her you are glad she has a clean, safe place to live, but focus on taking care of yourself and the rest of your family.
If I mentioned anything, such as asking mom to write my name down on the calendar with her appt so she would know I was taking her and she wouldn't have to call every 2 days, she would apologize. She would also be thankful. Funny that this wasn't really how my mother was, but the dementia made her different - sometimes NOT so nice and grateful, but different...
I don't think most older people intentionally end up relying on their children. It can come because of an accident or health problem that they (and the family) hope is just a bump in the road and ends up being a long term problem. You go to help out for a short period of time. They weren't ready for a major change in their life like moving out of their home. One day becomes the next.
When you don't have the story book family relationship early on, I suppose it does create resentment when they need you most because you remember when you needed more from them at an earlier time.
The most you can do at this point is to give your own children what you didn't get so they don't have the feelings of resentment should things not turn out the way you plan them at your current age versus the reality of what you become at age 86.
Some parents that have experienced the same are probably more aware that can happen.
Peace and strength to you as you navigate your healing journey! It is beautiful that you do not wish to burden your children; I would not be surprised if they reward your thoughtful and kind nature by wanting to care for you.
Having said that, I believe there will always be some narcissists. My nephew got married last year, and they are currently planning to move 900 miles from where they are currently living. The bride's sister, who lives quite close by, is very resentful toward them...because she is worried as to whom she'll get to babysit her 12 y/o son when she and her husband want to go on a vacation!
As for fewer children to provide the care, sometimes even where there are more than a few children, some or even most of them want no part of the care. Worse, some butt in and cause more problems! But, they come around with their hands out later...
There are 3 of us. OB last visited our mother the last time he was here for a bit to "help" with getting the condo ready for sale (2.5 years ago.) He REFUSED to go back again, after a brief visit, because he "didn't know what to do with her." This from one of the 2 who when they found out how much MC costs gleefully said for that kind of money they would take her in! YB also has became a ghost. I gave up trying to get him to go to "special" occasions at mom's place. I don't need to be pestering a grown man to respond to a text with a simple yes or no. I didn't bug him TO go, just wanted an answer yes or no because they need a head count! When mom refused to stand and walk on her own, I had to have him take over Mac Deg appts for treatment to save her eyesight. FOUR times/year! You'd think it was weekly torture. I've been running my butt for about 6+ years, first to help her stay in her condo, then prepping for the move, then almost 2 years to get condo ready for and during sale - MOST of the work I did. Took over her finances before she moved, had to go (1.5 hrs each way) take her to appts, shopping, etc., the multiple trips every week to work on getting condo ready. Now I manage everything and I was the only one visiting (had a brief outdoor visit just after her birthday, but that was not so great - 6' apart, masks, I'm not even sure she realized I was even there!)
I'd suggest nephew and his wife try to get further away! Good lord, needing a babysitter for a 12 yo so they can vaca? While I understand married couples need time away, for pete's sake, take the kid on vaca, enjoy him while he's still young, and consider a weekend getaway with hubs - should be able to find a "sitter" for a weekend.
Ima place my bet now: when she and/or hubs need some care in the future, kid will tell them to hire a sitter... If we're all still here, come back and update us! :-D
If, for instance, you develop dementia and need full time care, if income is low enough, Medicaid could be applied for, and it would be done in such a way that your spouse isn't impoverished.
I would suggest you consider consulting with several EC attys and plan for your future - you'd be able to make some choices now, rather than having the choices made for you.
My mother and her sisters did take turns caring for their mother, but she was easy to care for, no major medical issues and certainly no dementia. My mother's plan also included moving to AL when the time came, but dementia came first and that plan went out the window! In her mind, she was fine and refused to consider moving anywhere, ESP not AL.
Although she never said it to me, one of my brothers told me that she said something about wanting to come live with me, rather than the MC. It wasn't going to happen, but she never said a word to me about it. I only recall her pestering YB to take her back to her condo (9 months, then she forgot the condo, asked to be taken to her mother's and/or get a key to the house we previously lived in.) Stopped asking about the house long ago, once in a while would ask about her mother and one time about a younger sister, but never asked about moving since! She's been there now over 3.5 years.
Anyway, based on those posts, it isn't always those who provided the care who ask for or demand it from their own children!
The experience of taking care of my mother and all I have endured because of her personality, i have enrolled myself in a Long Term Care policy for my old age phase. Not only do I not want to be a burden, but i certainly do not want any family member telling me where I have to be. I do not have children, only stepchildren, nieces , and nephews. I have seen everyone of them wash there hands and not even call to see how she is doing. My brother and his children live 4 hours away from me, my brother has come to
see her 4 times in the last 4 years and two of his children have only come once. These are the nieces and nephews that would probably send me straight to a nursing home. You need to put a plan in place for yourself now and not assume or hope that in the future you wont be a burden to anyone. The feeling of burden may turn out to be the person responsible for handling your affairs and may not have anything to do with you doing anything wrong.
Anyhow, although I have friends, a recent short stay in the hospital showed me who would be there for me and it wasn't who I expected completely...though maybe not so bad a thing since I realized a couple who didn't were so complacent and succumbed to medical authority they would not be a good advocate for protecting my well-being. Which boils it all down to the person caring for me being potentially an out of state somewhat self-centered sibling. As in she would never consider moving back to this state unless it greatly benefited her, as in if she were in great need and needed my help.
Just a different spin for those who do not have children...and it does sound like your mother has not been a nice person...I can relate to that. Take care...
ive been paying for longterm insurance for my husband and myself since i was in my mid-50s and keep hoping the insurance keeps us on. I turned 80 this year and am still active and looking for a job. But im not counting on on my health.
i wrote a letter to my daughter and granddaughter (Out if state) the other day telling im apologizing now for what the future may bring. I havent mentioned that i have low-grade hardening of the arteries which is incurable. I’ll tell them as progression happens as there is no cure. It eats away the white matter in the brain.
i’ve investigated long term facilities in the area as my husband refuses to go and i will be on my own and of course want someplace nice.
anyway ... to answer your question ... yes i do think some things are generational. Im old enough to remember smelly crowded nursing facilities. In fact unfortunately they are still around. But ive found some clean sunny active places and am on the waiting list for when the time comes. I just hope my mental capacity is intact to enjoy those before going to memory care ... also nice facilities ... where i wont notice.
of course the main ingredient in all this are the caregivers. The facility may be beautiful but if the caregivers arent it will be sad.
now all i need to do is clean the house.
It is hard to visit now and she can go out. We are trying to get her to leave her room and come outside on her own but she has been refusing. She says she still walks but we do not believe her. Should we keep trying or make the effort just to visit her in her room. I think it is good if she walks or goes outside. I think she may be scared to walk or leave her room. She has always liked us to go up and take her back. Now you have to make an appointment to visit.
I think there will always be people letting their parents live with them. People that will put them in a Senior Home and People that do nothing.
My Dad is 96 and he stayed in his own home where he wanted to be with 24 7 Care.
The Insurance won't cover it as they will only cover the price if my Dad is in a Senior Care Place.
Fortunately my Dad has enough money to pay for his Care for about 3 yrs then I will try to hire a Live In for him because it would be less expensive.
I have many friends that have parents that planned for their care, even if they didn’t have a lot of funds. I have friends with kind and loving parents and my friends are happy to be around them and pitch in. I married a person with a tight knit happy family and every talks through options and makes reasonable decisions.
Similar to you, my mother was abusive and neglectful. I HAD to disconnect years ago for my own well being. I now manage her care from a distance. Putting in boundaries was very hard. Nothing made her happy in her life and she’s still that way even with dementia!
I’m not sure it’s generational. I think there have always been families that function better than others. But our generation is aware that we will be living longer. Our families are smaller and our children face a higher cost of living and will need to work longer. And those of us that have had those mean and selfish parents, don’t want our children to suffer with our care.
It sure does make a difference when the elderly person is kind and appreciative. One of my grandmothers was just a delightful person who loved to laugh and have a good time. She frequently had visitors.
I have tried to set up for myself as much financial help as possible for my future. The thing I am worried about is losing my ability to make good decisions and not having anyone to help me with those. If I had had any children, I would not expect them to do anything caregiving for me.
My prayers are with you for your total healing. You have a lot on your shoulders. I am so sorry you are going through this.🙏🌻
always there even our family vacations she came along. Now I am her house slave. It is probably a family thing cultural thing. I have started that I do not want my children to take care of me, it is a horrible ending.
My mother's plan included AL - I know this because a few times she said she needed to clear out stuff in case she ever has to "get outta here." When I asked what that meant, she said assisted living. Okay then, good plan and good to know.
Enter dementia. So much for that plan! In her mind, she was fine, independent and could cook. She wasn't, and couldn't. We tried bringing in aides, 1hr min, to get her used to having someone around, to increase as needed. Less than 2 months, she refused to let them in, repeating her mantra. At that point I saw to it legal paperwork was updated and starting researching dementia and AL/MC near me (her condo was about 1.5 hrs away and most AL/MC in her area was VERY expensive.) I wanted her closer to where I live so I could manage things easier, esp in winter! So, as the time approached to make the move, she was adamant she would NOT move anywhere, ESP not AL! Let the fun and games begin!
She's been in MC over 3.5 years now, is living at least 40+ years ago, and just recently had a stroke. Denied hospice. Really? At 97, virtually no hearing, losing eyesight, won't stand/walk on her own, overweight, loss of right side control, slurring words. Whatever.. we continue on...
I help and enjoy caring for my six grandchildren. My mother resents this and is jealous although she cared nothing for her own grandchildren.