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So, GG, you say you need support to be able to stand up to your husband.

But he won't allow you to seek counseling where you might get that support.

Dementia or not, this is coercion.

Why don't you go visit your dad for a couple of weeks? See if the hoarseness as goes away.

Let DH be head of the household on his own for a few weeks.
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graygrammie Sep 2020
Dh gets lost in the bedroom at night. I can't leave him alone. Our son certainly isn't going to sleep with him!
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Are you being psychologically manipulated by the spouse, to the point of needing divorce ?

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I actually have the tic of clearing my throat when I am under stress. I am aware of it and it can pop up now and then. I also have sinus problems. And I know the difference.

It doesn’t seem fair to take anti-anxiety medication when you are not the problem! But I will share that I recently started to take some anti-anxiety medication myself due to my own situation taking on the oversight of my mother’s care. I resent needing to take the medication because of a woman that was abusive and neglectful. However I chose to step in because it was the right thing to do.

Taking the medication has helped me to calm down and gain a clearer perspective. I feel more organized if that makes sense. I feel like I can move forward with calm decision making. I am better able to let her behavior roll off my back. Because of Covid, I am not doing the things I would normally do to help manage my stress (gym, spin class, travel, eating out with my friends, going to public lectures, etc). And even if I went for a walk in the park before taking medication, my mind would be racing and I wouldn’t be relaxing!

I have been seeing a therapist (Telehealth) and after a few months she suggested being evaluated for medication. I had a thorough talk with my doctor. I know that the medication is only temporary. It has helped me realize how “normal” feels again. As far as taking medication, it’s not the answer to my stress, I want to be to clear about that. I am taking other positive measures to deal with the changes in my life. It’s just that the racing thoughts and feeling like there was a boulder weighing me down all the time was getting in the way of sleeping, my relationships, and enjoying life. The advice of “take a deep breath” or “just get out for a walk” wasn’t cutting it.

I am so sorry you are under so much stress in dealing with your husband. Definitely rule out any physical concerns first. I am only sharing my experience so you have some perspective on anti-anxiety medication use to help with stress.
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PS Louise Hays talks about in her book Heal your Body what different parts of your body is saying to you. Throat, related to having a voice.
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Laswin Sep 2020
Mjustice, Wow! That makes a lot of sense!
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"I tried counseling in 2018 (behind my husband's back, he is totally against counseling) and he found out after my fourth session. That was the end of that. So no one to talk to."

And despite a confirmed dx of dementia, tells you that he is not ill, still head of the household and you will do as he says?

You have a very big problem, GG. What does he do if you go against his wishes? Has he always been this controlling?
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Elle1970 Sep 2020
I agree. I think her problem is a lot more serious than she thinks, her problem being a narcissistic manipulative controlling husband.
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Go see your preacher to be free of anxiety. Philippians 4. Go to you local healthfood store to get a bit of coughsyrup with horehound and marshmellow to be free from hoarseness. Get your husband to talk to the preacher as well-- he married you for all of you. ( not better r worse--- just all your assets and liabilities if they are as such. Harumph !
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graygrammie Sep 2020
So, he was a preacher from 1986 until 2017 when I finally spoke out. We have not found a church yet that we both like. I do have two pastoral couples that I am comfortable talking to, just don't want to burden them.
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Do either one. If you pick the ENT and they can't find anything to account for your problem, go back and accept the Lexapro. Or try the Lexapro first, and if that hasn't solved the problem in 6 weeks or so, go the ENT.

But please don't neglect your own physical health. You deserve as much diligent care as your husband does. You both are important people.

I have been on Lexapro since 2010. I tried a couple of other medications, but this one has no side effects for me (each person is different).

If you had a severe rash and your doctor said, try the cream twice a day, and if that doesn't work I'm sending you to a dermatologist, would you hesitate to do either one of those things?
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Elle1970 Sep 2020
Before Lexapro and other similar medications were invented wives who didn't toe the line according to their husbands' wishes were often "put away" in psychiatric institutions and tied up in straitjackets. Read up on the reasons women were put into psychiatric institutions in the 19th and early 20th century, it is very eye opening. There is nothing mentally wrong with the OP from what I can see, she is coping very well with difficult circumstances.
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OP, go see the ENT. Why don't you want to get tests? Look after your own health and welfare? Hopefully the ENT visit and tests will be time away from your husband which will not be a waste of time for you. Hopefully it is nothing but it will be good to get yourself checked over.

The hoarseness could be due to stress but that is no reason to take anti-anxiety meds when you don't want to take them. Some holistic therapists might say the hoarseness is unexpressed anger and throat chakra issues. It's a bit flaky I know but the concept is worth checking out. I had about 6 weeks of hoarseness with no apparent cause after leaving an abusive partner. It eventually cleared itself but your situation is different.

Your husband's behaviour is abusive but you know that. Is there any way your boomerang son can help? If he is living under your roof he should take some of the stress away from you. I can't understand how a man who is fit enough to play regular golf needs so much care and undivided attention. You definitely need to get advice from a medical professional other than your GP. Fingers crossed the ENT can point you in the right direction.
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graygrammie Sep 2020
As for golf, two years ago he golfed every day, sometimes doing 27 holes. Walked the course. Now he uses a cart, plays 9 just a few days a week. And most of his golf buddies have pretty told him they don't want to play with him any more. His golfing has been to my benefit and I haven't minded it a bit. But he has been getting steadily weaker over the last year, insists it is a Lyme Disease flare like he had back in 1995. I disagree.
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Having read further about your husband, I'm wondering why you're not bombed out of your gourd. How have you not killed the man for forbidding you from reading and that "what I say goes" garbage? Is MC an option yet? While I fully support the use of sarcasm in your marriage, I am worried about your husband and his illness stomping on your spirit. Please tell me you get help and you get out frequently. Would you still be married if he weren't suffering from dementia? The husband sounds like a malignant narcissist. He needs medication more than you do.
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I would rather go see an ENT before taking an anxiety medication to see if there is a medical reason for clearing your throat so much that you are hoarse.

Try to figure out if clearing your throat has just become a habit or tic.

Do you feel drainage before you clear your throat? as it could just be a sinus problem.

Remember, it is your body and your choice and you do not have to take any meds or go to see an ENT.

If you checked out healthy from your Dr visit, if the constant clearing of your throat and staying hoarse doesn't bother you then do nothing.

I think I would tell my Dr that I don't want to take meds and what the worse that could happen be to do nothing.
Then depending on the answer go visit the ENT and get a 2nd opinion or do nothing..

of course you clearing your throat and your husband ducking his teeth are both annoying.

Maybe you started clearing your throat because you were being annoyed by your husband sucking his teeth?
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Just say no to medication, if you don't want to take it. Remember, you decide who you see and don't see. What's the connection between clearing your throat and stress? Why not see an ENT? What's the aversion to that? I would probably say no to Lexapro, but visit an ENT. But I also don't have all the information...
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As I get older and have to deal with various meaty issues (within the family), my voice gets noticeably weaker. I recover when the stuff is resolved (or semi resolved!).
You are probably right that it is stress but so is your doctor! Why not try the antidepressants and see how you get on, otherwise you need to change something - which might be better but is not always possible.
Also don't ignore the issue as hoarseness can be a symptom of something else and you may be wise to get checked out. xx
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You need down time, and time away from husb to destress. Take a walk, a class, girl's time, whatever. Something physical is best.
Also our furnace started dying. We had no humidity in the house. I woke up with a hoarse voice, stuffed up, headache almost every day. Our new furnace lets you adjust the humidity. I dont have that now.
Taking care of a loved one is extremely stressful. You need help and time away to focus on you. A break! Women always put themselves last. And your health is telling you something is wrong. Listen to it.
You might also need to sleep with the window cracked open a bit to allow humidity into the room.
You need to get a handle on your stress. That is not being selfish. That is preserving your sanity. Dont let anyone make you feel guilty about it. Good luck.
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Doctors want to control and medicate, if I knew before what I know now I wouldn’t have to spend the next couple years tapering off the meds they gave me that they knew nothing about.

surgeons want to operate, docs want to medicate, you get whatever ever response they’re programmed to give. Your having a normal response to an abnormal situation.

Go out take a walk, find a way to get some help so you can take a break. I am told you get burn out after 2 years and become inefficient. We can’t do it all no matter how much we want to.
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What were you hoping from your visit to the doctor? It sounds like you are under a great deal of stress and that you are convinced this is the cause of your occasionally hoarse voice. So what were you hoping the doctor would say to you to help?

Have you considered finding someone who could talk with you about a good way to deal with the stress that you think is causing the problem?

Doctors have medicine and procedures. That's what they can offer you when you visit.
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Amrn. And obtain a copy of your labwork and think about Holistic treatment , you know like spine alignment, massage, natural remedies, nutrition, rest exercise , paladies, rtc. My go tos are Bert's Bee Coughdrops, a respiratory herbal tea elixer, Children's Allergy Allegra, and an asthmatic machine with those meds. Consider changing what you eat and drink. Maybe Mediterranean food will have more medicinal herbs and spices. Control the temperature in your environment. Clean up everything with mild but effective household cleaning solutions while wearing masks and gloves. Get some sun and fresh air frequently throughout the day. Pray and listen to Dr. Joyce Myers, TD Jakes, and Dr. Charles Stanley, Public TV and link TV. Get a earpiece find inspiring music while you work or walk and good movies. And get your legal self and financial self in order.
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Go to a different dr-ENT and you will know one way or another whether allergies, stress, or something else. LO had horse throat for a month-tried cold meds-antibiotic. I wish it had been a cold or allergy-yes LO had some horrible testing done it was necessary to confirm diagnosis. It was bad still in treatment 4 years later for cancer.
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GG, who are the "others" whose support you need to say to your dh "nonsense. I will read when it suits me. Please amuse yourself for an hour while I finish this"?

Does it matter if he is sarcastic or upset? He has dementia. He should NOT be "driving the bus" of the relationship.
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graygrammie Sep 2020
There are no others. And he denies the dementia and likes to stay, "I may be sick but I am still head of this household and you will do what I say."
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Get second opinion...Don’t take meds for anxiety..take a walk better..Hugs 🤗
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LoopyLoo Sep 2020
Walking is great but not a cure for a mental issue... and this frames anxiety and depression as something one can just will away. Might as well tell someone to will away their cancer.
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So....you're being advised to either take an anxiety medicine or submit to tests and dr. appointments because you're husband; who doesn't 'allow' you to read, monitors your time at the grocery store (or anywhere away from him even in your home), sucks his teeth noisily and to distraction (that's just ill mannered and gross); complains that you CLEAR your throat too often, all the while HE is able to play golf twice a week. AND there is a doctor paying attention to HIS complaints.

There is so much wrong with this picture from start to finish that I can't begin to say what all. I have a feeling you see it too, so you are digging your heels in and resisting all advice from that quack of a dr.

I agree with you. You are not the problem. Not only is your situation unfair for you but it is toppling over into unbearable for you.

I suggest you fix the problem before you snap, and I don't mean fix you..
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There are things that could be going on that are presenting with subtle signs. And yes. Allergies can be one of them. I have a friend that suddenly developed a life threatening food allergy in her late 40s. And to a common ingredient! So maybe you start with allergy testing.

I started taking an antidepressant in caregiving for my parents. It helps. There’s no shame in taking something that helps our brain function any more than there is to keep our BP in the normal range. Something is out of whack and medication helps it.

Hopefully it’s just a new allergy and a dose of Claritin (get the generic!) fixes it.
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I recently had a teleconference with my PCP. In passing, I mentioned that I was having 'more' of the heart 'flutters'. He about passed out. WHAT heart flutters? When did we discuss this? Well, turns out, along with the cancer and shingles and UTI's, the tachycardia got short shrift. It's gotten MUCH worse since COVID and DH working from home-just being in my face all day, everyday, something I am not used to and not enjoying.

I had had a night when it came on and lasted for 4 hrs. Miserable, but since no Dr. had ever acted like it was a big deal (and I guess in the grand scheme, cancer and all, it kind of got pushed to the back).

PCP kind of freaks out, tells me what it is and while it won't kill me, it's bad for my heart and VERY unpleasant to live with. He put me on Metropolol and had me RUN to the pharmacy and get it and start it THAT DAY.

I have upped the dose twice and finally feel like maybe it's OK now. STRESS is the cause. Just STRESS. Told Dh and he said "calm down, then". Then I had to 'borrow' one of his pills as I was out and he found out how much I take and it FINALLY hit him that it was serious. He said "Why didn't you say anything about it?" Well, I had but he doesn't listen.

So--here is a case where medicating ME is necessary. I don't feel like a failure. A saint couldn't live with my DH. My kids tell me all the time that if I pass first, he will go straight into a care facility. All 5 of them have said I could live with them and all 5 have said they'd put dad in a home.

My DH is pretty checked out. I sometimes wish he paid more attention to me, then I read posts from people who have controlling DH's and I am grateful mine barely acknowledges me. (although a happy medium would be nice)

Put yourself first--we're useless as CG's if we are miserable/cranky/annoyed. There's no shame in taking a medication that HELPS your QOL.
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graygrammie Sep 2020
Wow, we are too similar in our situations.
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GG, are you saying that your HUSBAND won't allow you to read books or magazines?

Has he always been unreasonable, or is this just since the dementia started?
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graygrammie Sep 2020
It has been for at least the last five years. And that is when I started noticing the other personality changes. He has always been very controlling. I thought as a submissive wife I had to subject myself to that. I now know differently.
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You wrote:  "I'm not allowed to read magazines or books which is why I pretty much hideout on the computer in another room in order to read the news or magazine articles."  

Why not?   I've never heard of this kind of restriction, unless there's dust or something on the magazines or books that causes a reaction.  

But you also wrote:

"Time away from my husband is impossible. Yes, I have to be in his presence constantly."    

Sorry, but I'm confused.    You have rights that you can exercise.    And if you're in another room, you're not in his presence constantly unless he watches you through the door.   Nor when you're in the bathroom.

I think you need to take a stand in your own behalf.  That's an observation, not a criticism.  I understand you feel an obligation to be with him, but that's unrealistic.
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graygrammie Sep 2020
He doesn't allow me to read books or magazines because then I am not paying attention to him.

Yes I do escape to computer as much as possible but it only sets me up for sarcastic nasty comments later.

Yes, I do need to take a stand for myself but I want to know I have the support of others to back me up. Right now I do not have that.
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Keep all golf clubs, golf shoes, and golf clothes out of living spaces, make him shower when arriving home. Wash separately, wearing gloves and mask if you must and cannot send them out.

Do not wash your clothes with any of his.

Who wouldn't be allergic to that stuff? Have you ever been to the golf course and had a reaction?

See, now you don't need a doctor at all, because you have us. Maybe.
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graygrammie Sep 2020
I have no allergies. Never have, don't plan on developing any. ;) Except naproxan sodium -- gives me hives.
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Sucking on teeth:

"Tardive dyskinesia (TD) is a movement disorder characterized by uncontrolled facial movements, such as repetitive tongue movements, chewing or sucking motions, and involuntarily making faces. It may also involve movements of the limbs or torso."

"Other drugs that can cause TD include:
Metoclopramide (treats stomach problem called gastroparesis)
Antidepressant drugs such as amitriptyline, fluoxetine, phenelzine, sertraline, trazodone.
Antiparkinson drugs such as levodopa.
Antiseizure drugs such as phenobarbital and phenytoin."

And so many others!

Often, it can be cured by decreasing or discontinuing the
drug(s) responsible.
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graygrammie Sep 2020
He's not on any of those drugs. It actually stopped for six months when he went on Keppra and Limotrigine. Then I think his body adjusted to them and it started back up.
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I hate that docs always feel that with women it must be emotional/hormonal. Why!?

Even if women come in presenting heart attack type symptoms they are brushed off more often than men. This has been documented. Maybe if men were prescribed meds like Lexapro or Xanax more often, women would be less likely to feel crappy cause the men in their life would be easier to deal with. Just saying....
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NeedHelpWithMom Sep 2020
This is true with some doctors. My friend who has had a heart condition since childhood was having issues.

She told her doctor her symptoms. He knew of her heart condition, yet he gave her a paper to read with a list of symptoms of panic attacks.

She informed her doctor that she was not experiencing panic and told him that if she were a guy that he would be running heart test.

Anyway, she got frustrated and went to a new doctor that did run tests. Turns out all she needed was her meds adjusted.

She was fine after her dosage was changed to the level needed.
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I have severe allergies and asthma. Why wonder about this? Go see an allergist to have testing done. There is no cure for allergies but they can be controlled with meds. I take meds for my allergies and my asthma.

Best wishes to you.
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I'm with you! no WAY! This doesn't sound like a doctor who will listen to you.

When I had to take care of my parents and it was stressful, I had a constant cough and post nasal drip. I thought I had an ongoing cold. Come to find out, I have developed allergies. I'm with you, I think stress can cause allergies. I never had allergies before. But, sure enough, this spring and summer, gardening with my mom, cough, congestion, post nasal drop. I'm taking vitamin C and quercetin and it helps immensely.

I hesitate to take anti-anxiety meds unless I really really have too because I don't want to become dependent on them.
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Normal saline spray up your nose.
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